I’m really shocked how much Disney gets it sometimes. And I really doing AoS, it’s not perfect sometimes it really does some amazing stuff. I would have missed it.

So it sounds like I could cheerfully continue watching “Into the Badlands” instead of this, and I would be far happier?

The Dojo scene was so painful. Also the scene where he speaks Mandarin to her. The Far East faux homeless Dudebro routine got real old fast.

I’m starting to consider whitewashing a useful litmus test for a tv show or movie. If the producers are too chickenshit to hire actors of colour, then they are also going to make a bunch of other bad, boring, “safe” production decisions... and the result will be a bad, boring movie or show that’s a mess of producer…

I will watch the show and give it a chance mainly because I liked Jessica Henwick’s featurettes.

Poor handling of cultural appropriation I can understand and kind of expected.

Come on man. Don’t be like that.

Given that the show itself has a lot of problems, it would’ve still been pretty awkward to see a minority actor handle some of the material Jones does in this role.

It’s pretty fucking weird that AMC of all places has a better martial arts show than what Marvel/Netflix made here.

Yup I keep seeing people say well the reviewers were already biased against the show because of the Asian controversies. While completely ignoring the criticisms that have to do with basic television storytelling.

The Asian people Danny is associated with in the show are - like I said, he does this literally standing in Colleen’s own martial arts dojo that she runs. The show still takes the time to have him tell those people that he’s so much better and yet, when it comes to actually showing it, Colleen’s fight scenes are more…

Because the scene in question - in a show that has been DOGGED with questions about how it would adapt source material rooted in dated orientalist concepts for a long while - features a white man mansplaining the art of kung fu to a half chinese, half japanese woman WHO RUNS HER OWN MARTIAL ARTS DOJO.

Yes, people were calling for Danny to be played by an Asian-American actor. There was a huge push for it. Search the #AAIronFist hashtag for plenty more on it. Having him be Asian-American completely changes the racial context of the show, and skins away a lot of the bullshit appropriation going on.

Because society has done a lot of evolving since the Iron Fist character first showed up in the 1970s. A white man lecturing Asian people on their own culture isn’t the greatest look in any decade, but in 2017 it’s really not great.

If he was half-asian it would have solved a lot of problems regarding cultural sensitivity, and white people could have their cake and eat it too.

The annoying thing about the response to these reviews is that people are like “hurr durr SJWs” and seem to ignore that reviewers just have like problems with the show as a show, outside of anything regarding race. It’s almost universally “the show is poorly paced from the beginning when other Marvel Netflix shows…

It’s offensive because he’s supposed to be the best but it never fucking shows in the actual show. His fight scenes are actually atrocious. And it’s because they hired a guy who knows jack shit about martial arts so they had to do a lot of fancy camerawork and editing to hide that fact and the fight choreo is boring.

Sigh. As critical as I’ve been I still wanted it to be good.

I’m sorry, but are you asking us to be outraged that a black person was cast in a white role while whitewashing runs rampant in movies? WTF?

But you can have an Asian character who isn’t a stereotype. It’s not a prerequisite of being an Asian character.