Haha my bed is pretty comfortable. Its not hard to see though that with the amount of Teslas sold and the amount that have caught fire there is a problem. I also think its funny how quickly people rush to defend these cars.

I can think of a lot of other cars he'd be fine in but once again totally beside the point. Cars should not catch on fire even if you crush them, or roll them, or hit a wall at 90 miles an hour. That's part of why old racecars are so dangerous and its something that is almost entirely preventable.

That's not what this is about. Its about how its a load of horseshit that anyone is trying to defend the fact that two cars out of 12,000 have burst into flames after crashing. I feel like I'm talking to crazy people here.

So it sounds like they need to do a better job of keeping the battery packs from being ruptured. Like I said fires are never ok, I can't believe I'm having to argue that point. If they can be prevented why not? Its not like this car is super economical so why not just make it harder for it to, you know, burst into…

Fires are never something to dismiss. That's really the end of it. The car crumpling and burning to the ground are unrelated. You've got firemen that have to put out the fire, you have property damage, people caught in the fire, damage to the road, fires are all around bad.

Just read your link 3% of car fires are the result of accidents, 3%. That's less than 1/30,000 car crashes result in a fire by those numbers. That's lower than I was expecting.

In 2003-2007 many of the cars on the road were from the '90s. I actually misspoke when I said 1970's I was talking about '70s cars. I'd be interested to see what it is for new cars.

My point went entirely over your head. If a car runs on gas its more likely it will catch on fire there is no way around that. We just have to accept that. I expect an electric car to be less likely to catch on fire than the average new car, not more likely... Its so shitty that they couldn't just build the thing well…

They should at least call it a CUV in the reports and it looks to be a newer model. I really doubt we can narrow it down to a specific car without guessing.

I'm just going to add this here. I'm being hard on Tesla and electric cars in general because what I have seen so far is that people are willing to give them all sorts of passes and play by a different set of rules. I know people want electric cars to be more main stream but double standards aren't going to help in…

I'd like to have a car that doesn't catch on fire if I crash it. That's part of not being injured in my opinion. With a gas powered car its understandable that it might burn given it runs on a flammable liquid that needs to be pumped to the engine. I don't really understand how a battery powered car has any excuse to…

I agree with that. Though I think its unacceptable that a brand new "cutting edge" car that doesn't even have conventional fuel is catching on fire in a crash in 2013. I assume its the coolant or the actual batteries that are burning which might be understandable if it were a race car crashing at 150mph but its not,…

Did it? Look again. It hit a wall head on, which is going to spread the impact out over a greater area that was designed to take those loads. The one in Mexico presumably hit the wall at some sort of angle and knocked off a wheel and more of the impact was absorbed by the corner of the car. Not saying it couldn't be…

True that probably wouldn't have happened in a battery powered car. Like with a computer they don't normally catch on fire but they can.

I'm not trying to start drama here but its insane that in 2013 were having an argument over if its ok for a "cutting edge" luxury car to catch on fire. That comes with the territory in a bottom of the barrel Kia or a low volume sports car but its not acceptable to have a car catch on fire if it crashes.

Kinja ate your comment? It scored well in a lab not in real life where things are never perfect.

Where are you getting your data from? That's not what I'm seeing. I could see 1/1000 catching fire in 1970 but not now.

Possibly 1/1000 crashes result in fire but 1/1000 gas powered cars do not catch fire. Also of the 12,000 Model S's delivered 2 have caught fire.

Also known as using a bladder in the fuel tank and putting it somewhere that it won't rupture. Batteries are flammable too and the obviously didn't do a good enough job of protecting them.

They have pretty weak uprights if you've seen any of their crashes, the wheels always come off. The thing caught fire and then exploded so its going to look like crap. Also he hit two walls, a wall is going to do a lot of damage at even 20 mph, at nearly twice the speed in a modern crumple car with no engine up front…