Did you do the Paid Russian Troll acct too? Not a bad bit, that.

Biden has been on the wrong side of almost every major issue of the last several decades — war, economics, criminal justice, healthcare, gender and racial disparities, reproductive rights, immigration and deportations, take your pick — and the idea of him as the nominee would be absolutely hilarious if the…

How does an unequivocal denial constitute being evasive in his response?

Kinda hard to make that “unity candidate” argument now, don’t you think? This whole thing is so fucking stupid.

Yes, hence the “supposedly,” because the Democrats aren’t actually on the left. I guess we do agree after all!

Well, that’s both an absolutely 100% correct characterization of the Democratic Party (and the Republican Party, as they represent the right and supposedly left wings of capital, respectively) and something centrists tend to see as a good thing, so it’s more like I keep getting tripped up over nonsensical inaccuracies…

Demonstrably untrue, and, sadly, the kind of argument centrist trolls use to discourage voting and participation. Congrats, you’re part of the problem.

GOP voter suppression is a real thing and should be combated at every stage; not exactly sure why the Dems haven’t made that a bigger part of their agenda outside of lip service, because it’s not exactly a new phenomenon. That said, turnout was down in 2016 even in states without GOP voter suppression, and voter…

I get you, but I’m not talking about George Jefferson (who was petit bourgeois anyway haha!) — I’m talking about real nurses, educators, retail workers, foodservice workers, custodial workers, farm workers, teachers, warehouse pickers and packers and yeah some of the old hardhat guys too — real people who make up a…

My framing is that “the working class” as an assemblage consisting primarily (or even largely) of older blue-collar whites is a mythical abstraction completely at odds with the material realities of its makeup, that the disaffected working class makes up the single largest political bloc in the US, and that building…

Hah, we’re probably talking in circles at this point while not really disagreeing — just saying that argument is precisely the one advanced by the script, which is being refuted by some people here as “we shouldn’t be catering to conservative blue collar whites,” when a) no one’s doing that and b) identifying the…

Genuine apologies (I mean it) if you’re not intending to do so but your framing is 100% the approach of people who want folks to vote Dem but focus on anything but improving their material conditions. It’s toxic to organizing, toxic to movement politics, and toxic to the goal of attaining and wielding power.

It’s explicitly a script to use for phonebankers when they’re speaking to voters who indicate they’re Warren supporters based on electability concerns — literal standard campaigning, not some insidious plot. As for “the merits,” it’s also true — her support is whiter, more affluent, more educated, and more likely to…

Well...don’t?

I gotcha, but the argument is for engaging real, disaffected/unengaged (and gigantic) slices of the potential electorate, not catering to an imagined lunchpail/hardhat demographic who’d vote for progressives if it weren’t for not getting to be racist anymore.

Hm, I think you’re being wildly overgenerous in this reading of the comment, which to me seems like the standard-issue liberal maneuver of eliding class dynamics while paying lip service to “intersectionality” — the old “how would breaking up the banks fix racism?” gambit. If someone mentions the need to engage the…

How so? He’s responding to the objectively true statement in the script that “we need to turn out more disaffected working-class voters” by bringing up blue-collar whites, which is something no one mentioned or argued except him. The working class isn’t just blue collar white men (in fact it’s majority non-), and we…

Why are you conflating “working class” with “blue-collar white”?

When people suggest this kind of, uh, extremely basic campaigning — wherein you’re supposed to argue you’re a better candidate than your opponents? — is going negative, I have to assume they’re either completely new to politics or suffering from profound retrograde amnesia. Like Ashley suggested, 2008 makes every…

At gatherings like this, which have increased since Trump’s election and catastrophic presidency, it’s hard to shake the feeling that everyone who opposes him is protesting at once, but not necessarily together.