My pregnant SIL in law in Marin County was anti-vaccine, until her niece, whom she lives with, was diagnosed with whooping cough. She changed her tune real quick after that.

Why Don/Jay and not Jay/Stephanie? Admittedly I only listened to the podcast, but it was pointed out multiple times that Jay would do ANYTHING for Stephanie and she also refused to be interviewed for the podcast. Seems suspicious to me...