Pan's Labyrinth is a solid choice, at least. Am I alone in liking The Orphanage just as much, though?

It's painfully awkward to watch, though occasionally funny to see comedians flail when they just cannot turn every single conversational topic into a cool joke.

I was actually coming here to say that. I think maybe it's because the red wedding was somewhat spoiled for me in advance when I read the book, so even as I was reading I wasn't very shocked. I also think that the way the Viper dies is just so awful that it's hard. I honestly couldn't even look at the screen for the…

OK, I thought I was going crazy because I kept getting really confused about that as well. I felt like I never heard the same feedback twice.

I figured I wouldn't be into this episode but was hoping to be proven wrong or that it would have jokes that I didn't necessarily like but some overarching theme I got. I watched it with my boyfriend, who is absolutely NOT on my level when it comes to PC humor- he's more no-holds-barred or whatever and I figured he'd…

Kinda. Man, what a letdown there. It was almost like a joke in that the cop stayed in the office while the real stuff happened around her - because she'd been ordered to stay there.

I sort of don't care anymore, I'm kind of done with this show.

I refuse to consider the fact that she'd be dropped from the series entirely. It would be so ridiculously silly of them to do that given the scrambling they're already doing to pad out storylines.

I honestly thought the fact that the musical is bad didn't even need to enter in the equation as it is patently awful. Yes, they're sellouts for turning their pandering album into a musical. Again, I have nothing against musicals themselves; I am from a theater family, I was raised on Rodgers and Hammerstein musicals…

Exactly. Dixie Chicks were scorned because of genre.

Nothing at all. I love musicals. I find it laughable that Green Day parlayed their mediocre lashing-out-against-authority album into a piss-poor one, though.

You're very right. They did. And?

I don't think they necessarily lose their right to, either, but I think Daly's point is spot on: in this case it seems like the most mundane, facile attempt at rebellion from a band that, after a certain point, seemed to gather that they really didn't need to make an attempt at anything with their audience since they…

Louie honestly hasn't been a "lovable doof" all season.

"I didn't say it was consensual at all."

I think he was muttering something about it in the ambulance, plus I think when he initially came up with his alibi it involved the washer in some way (she was doing a load or he was or something) so she may have had it in mind.

But she DIDN'T see the hammer? Or am I misremembering. I thought he had stowed the hammer in a hole in the wall, not the washer, in the end.

Well, he was blind about some things but you're right, the 401k joke was completely off.

You're not alone. I think the 2nd episode tonight was a little bit more successful, but I groaned when I saw the names of the episodes tonight as it meant that storyline would be continued. I generally prefer Louie episodes when the narrative thread is a lot more loose - there's some sense of continuity between…

I legitimately felt a bit deflated after seeing him. I'm hoping maybe next week will be better, but after looking forward to seeing more of him I was kind of disappointed by the fact that he really didn't seem to know what he was doing with that character.