agree with every single word. every. single. word

Violetmoon thank you so much for this comment. I feel like I have been going insane reading all these people talking about how women "dress too provocatively" and "are showing their tits to everyone" and how they knew all about how immodest they were. I am happy to read comments like yours that show your kind spirit.

You certainly do not need to respond to this, so I will say one thing. You ignored every single time I asked you - so no nudity is ever okay because it will only make people reduce to you to a pair of limbs. To me, the fault lies within those people who reduce people to a set of body parts, not the ones who are…

"had to get naked" is debatable. I think it is in human nature to grow, and it is possible that they became more comfortable with nudity themselves, or empowered in naked form. That is absolutely possible, yet people don't ever believe that women can be comfortable about their naked bodies, or about sex. Which is why…

I also disagree that you can ever objectify yourself - aka according to "definition you provided" reduce yourself to a set of body parts, because you know your intention and your personality and your history in life.

I also read the definition you provided, but using a dictionary for a literal word means nothing unless it connects to your argument, and in this case, it does not. Being naked or sexual in media alone does not give you enough clues to how you can judge that person is "reducing themselves to a pair of limbs." you will…

You also did not answer a lot of the points I have made in other responses to your comment. So we can never, ever, regardless of gender or position, ever be naked in public or media. Or if we do, we are objectifying ourselves. Correct? So no nudity is ever okay?

Agh. Anyone who hangs out with Terry Richardson by choice is a no in my book.

Mmm hmm because tits are so shameful. Right. I should be shamed and every woman should be shamed about her breasts even though men are allowed to be topless. Please never ever have kids.

So you are saying that women should never be comfortable showing her tits to the world. Why? That is a seriously sexist thinking. Men are allowed to be topless in public, but breasts are somehow seriously shameful. Okay I am done talking to you now. Bye.

If you think someone being naked in public is merely "representing herself as a set of limbs," you are seriously slut shaming.

And frankly, even though I see some of your points, if you need to call someone a lunatic to assert yourself as the calm controlled debater and the other as invalid, I might not be the real lunatic here.

That is not my point. The dictionary definition is perfectly valid. But if a woman is comfortable with her body, and you immediately assume that as her "representing herself as a body of limbs," do you not think that it's just as the same as patriarchy assuming that she is just a pair of legs? Just because someone is…

The dictionary definition says "representing yourself as a set of body part." But if somebody is being naked in any form in public or media, you will "assume" that that person is representing yourself as a set of body part, which is wrong, because you don't know if they are. Just because you pull out a dictionary…

And you can decide whether those people are objectifying themselves or not, how? Yeah, because you cannot. You don't know them. But they are grown adults and you won't trust their own opinions which they developed throughout their career and lives, because you somehow think you know their lives better. Which is just…

So if I was famous for something, and wanted to pose naked because I felt that it fit a context and I really like my nude body, then I am reducing myself to a mere object without my humanity intact? I find that argument extremely narrow minded and hard to believe, not to mention puritanical and judgmental. Our bodies…

How would you be able to tell any apart? That it is her sexuality? Yeah, because we can't. And we don't trust women even when they say that they like sex and appearing sexy, that it is a part of their personality. Which puts a whole another standard of judgements to them whether they are liberated or not. So let's…

So if I was famous for something, and wanted to pose naked because I felt that it fit a context and I really like my nude body, then I am reducing myself to a mere object without my humanity intact? I find that argument extremely narrow minded and hard to believe, not to mention puritanical and judgmental. Our bodies…

Hi g4va, thank you for a really thoughtful and a well written response, I really enjoyed reading it. I really agree with you. I mainly think that we can never really distinguish or tell whether a certain women are buying into the paradigm for marketing, at least not completely, because we will never know them…

And you can decide who is making a patriarchal bargain how? Yeah, because we can't. And we don't trust women even when they say that they like sex and appearing sexy. Which puts a whole another standard of judgements to them whether they are liberated or not. So let's just let people dress and act however they feel…