Definitely don't agree with that. The muscle cars died after '74 (and there was really only the SD455 by then) but were reborn in '85. The Mustang got real dual exhaust and a roller cam, the Corvette got tuned port injection to replace the junk crossfire setup. For '86 the turbo Regals got an intercooler and the…

Most attempts to categorize cars are just based on perception anyway. So if you see a 911 as a sports car, who am I to argue.

And they also have room to take others on those trips, hence the back seats. When I looked up Grand Tourer on Wikipedia it showed a picture of a 911 as an example, though I'm sure you can find a million sources referring to a 911 as a sports car.

Nope, I would consider it a grand tourer, which is what high performance 2+2s have traditionally been called. Again I'm not one for hard and fast rules on what makes a car fall into a specific category but sportscar = two seater has always been standard.

It's not. Sports cars have 2 seats. I'm not one for hard and fast rules on what's what, but that's pretty standard.

I may have to admit defeat on this point but I've always considered the 1st and 2nd generation Chevy II/Nova to be a compact car, while the '68s and up to be intermediates.

And yes, the GTO is widely considered to be the first muscle car, as it's the first widely available intermediate with a large displacement engine.

The Pontiac GTO was not developed as a factory drag racer, it was developed as a factory performance car. Read Car and Driver's road test of the ringer '64 that Pontiac sent them, they rave about the cars overall performance not just it's acceleration.

At least five cars on that list don't qualify as muscle cars according to you because they are either compacts or full-sizers!!

Going by their definitions a '62 Impala SS with a straight 6 and a powerglide would be a muscle car just because of the Super Sport option, while a '62 Bel Air with a 409 and a four speed isn't. Goes to my point of how silly it is to try to define the term.

Says who? That's just what they were used for by must of their buyers. There's a reason the original muscle car (by strict definition), the '64 GTO, was named after one of the greatest road-racing homologation specials ever.

The 68-72 Novas were most certainly intermediate size cars.

The Muscle Car Club of America defines a muscle car as: an intermediate sized, performance oriented model, powered by a large V8 engine, at an affordable price.

What do you call a Chevy Kingswood with a 427 or a Ford Torino Squire with a 429? WHY WOULDN'T a CTS-V be a muscle car?

Muscle cars aren't sedans? Says who?

And they can't review an American car without bashing it's build quality or handling. But I still love the show.

That is a great picture of a striking car but whenever I see one I'm reminded of the Aussie Challenger. Which is not at all a bad thing.

Strap a plane to a gun? In 1942 the Krauts strapped a plane to two guns, two big ass 37mm cannons!

I'm rather embarrassed to admit I find that green P1 really attractive. It's kind of like being attracted to the overweight person of the opposite gender; you don't want to tell your friends but you can't help it.

Holy S**t!!! That look like insane fun!!