I’m not sure why you offer Rashida Jones as an authority. She can believe whatever she wants, and happy she spoke out for herself and is adding to the conversation that needs to happen. But she does not speak for me. And no, one false accusation will not stop women from speaking out or being believed.

Predators are good at what they do because they can charm and lie so smoothly. I still don’t get how Trump has survived because he is neither of those.

This is poppycock used to justify leaving the needle where it is. The upheaval that will come with zero tolerance for all shades of predatory behavior will be big and good.

You implication is that outrage and disgust is not warranted with Franken because you grade his behavior as “less than” those of Weinstein, et al. I passionately disagree and consider that as problematic as what you are critiquing.

I don’t know whether this is a political ploy or not, and you don’t, either. I think it’s fair to debate that aspect of it, though. But it doesn’t change the fact that it happened.

How the fuck is Franken going to be exonerated?

Agree with all of this.

I think part of the problem by now is that we as a society have let this stuff get swept aside for so long that now that we’re starting to get it all out in the open we’re not entirely sure what the punishments and consequences should be for a lot of this stuff, especially since a lot of it will never see a courtroom…

If it’s a political ploy, then that will come out in the inquiry. It isn’t proven just because you really, really want to believe it is.

What you said in your first comment is that people are treating this the same as Weinstein and others. They aren’t. People recognize the difference between Franken and Weinstein’s actions. If what you really want to have is a discussion about what is appropriate in Franken’s case, fine. But you have to put aside the…

This is exactly the sort of attitude that leads to powerful men being able to get away with this shit.

To quote Terry Crews, “no one gets a pass”. These are grown ass men that know the shit that they’re pulling is wrong. I’m not going to play the “whose molestation is worst” game. Act like a damn adult, or expect to be cancelled.

All I can think is I would be VERY INCREDIBLY upset if he touched my ass on a photo shoot or pretended to honk my boobs for a ‘funny’ photo. The fact that he ‘thought it would be funny’ coupled with his assumption ‘guys do this all the time, it is ok’ is the problem. Its a way bigger issue than Franken. If men can get…

I think he deserves to be lumped in with the group “powerful men who committed acts of sexual misconduct.” I think everyone is pretty capable of understanding that encompasses a varying degree of behavior.

Actually, no, that’s horrible logic. Anyone saying Franken should resign is saying that Franken’s behavior is bad enough to resign, not that it’s as bad as anyone else’s behavior.

As far as the 36 female Franken-supporting staffers (say that 5x fast), isn’t it likely that most of them wouldn’t be current workers there, especially if they worked with Franken way back when?

55 year old men who do that are not neophytes. That pose spoke to his worldview, and you bet your ass it was a power trip. That photo was meant to humiliate her. Did you not read the original article and her account?

By not answering any of my questions, you answered all of them.

Why do you feel the need to control the narrative of this victim? You don’t know her full history or what experiences have informed her. Victims cope in the ways that are safest and best at that time.

People shit on Michelle Obama for being naive when she said, “when they go low, we go high,” but, as a Democrat, I’d like to see the party brave enough to put it’s values over a single vote, and walk Franken out the door. I doubt that will happen without internal polling to support it. But it would be nice for the…