Sweet fancy moses nice!

Note the “Denver” line. Up here, the C5 Z06 makes 300hp at the crank. The Neon was making the same or a touch more after the mods. Go up from denver and the difference gets worse...  Denver is brutal on N/A cars, and the mountains here are only worse.  

You have a point. I love my M550. Love it to death. It’s been reliable. It’s fun. It’s safe. It lets me fiddle with two grossly-unqualified-to-daily other cars (as well as others through the last few years), because it always works.

Most of the natural ones I’ve been using (because health again) tend to sink in well and not get on clothes/furniture - if you give them a couple of minutes to soak in, at least, but agreed.  Since I put it on right after the shower, it soaks in while I handle the rest of the morning prep.  

Counterpoint 2 - you should always be wearing sunscreen, even if it’s cloudy, and even if you’re inside most days.  Wife lectured me on this for YEARS.  

This is why I love them, but I’ll admit I’m the edge case living at 7k feet.  Also easier aftermarket (tunes!) vs adding forced induction or the like.  

And finding a shop that knows how to work on them is harder (they’re not hard to work on, but harder to find), and there were gaps in how much they were imported here too.  They’re not rare, but they are uncommon.  

Saab.  Really.  That’s about the perfect answer.  

Above average reliability (engine wise). They’re known for “breaking in” finally around 40,000-50,000 miles, which for a bike, is a LOT of miles outside the big touring sleds. Big, simple, fun, with quirks, not top-end performance, but a ton of style and REALLY comfortable for longer rides - and once you figure out…

Damn son that’s gorgeous.  

I have. It’s a good car with (to me) a disappointment of a motor - too high revving, not enough torque down low (which makes my variety of winding roads painful - first and second gear get old fast, we’re generally talking a top speed of around 40-45 on the straights before you’re braking again), and being an N/A V8,…

Fair

Which is the problem - because we’re not buying enough for them to keep existing either... They need to have appeal outside of just the enthusiast ranks, in my humble opinion, and I don’t see it anymore for these (the Toyobaru twins), although we don’t know pricing yet - low enough maybe, but otherwise...  

I didn’t say GOOD.  I said “interesting”. 

Suuuurrrreee.  To us.  To most people?  2 door sports car.  Arguably, the 911 is a 2+2 GT car - but no one really thinks that way anymore.  Now it’s “2 door sports car” - “4 door coupe SUV!” >_< 

So do Beanie babies, to some people :p 

Price is the question.  If they’re priced the same, they’ll be cross-shopped - both 2 door sports cars.  

Never was a fan of the V8 personally (not a BMW thing; I own one of theirs with 8 cylinders, but that V8 in particular), and I see a 7 year old M3 with low miles going for near-new pricing.  Which, well, is a bit weird to me.  I’d take either the older E46 generation with the I6 (because BMW, and god do I love that…

Oh, I’m sure at least a FEW of those Jeeps with V8s have exhaust leaks that make them sound more interesting.... Ish?

Cute and fun story, but it’s still a rather overpriced, older BMW...  current car pricing is whack.