This depends on the dealer, your negotiating ability, time of year, moon cycle, etc - no real way to compare except invoice or MSRP, but that’s a problem with any comparison. People made the same claim about the ATS - and my local dealer put 3k markups on every one of them for the hell of it (and failed to sell, well,…
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Depends on the options, but I agree - which is why I pointed out that it’s “close” but not the same :) It’s up to you if that’s worth it (dealer experience being a bit part of that) - for me, that extra (and the extra quality) is probably worth it. YMMV, of course.
That’s why I said “configured my way” - Kia bundles everything together, BMW lets me pick. I don’t need some of the stuff they put in the GT2 bundle, but it’s the only way to get other features (like the HUD), so you’re stuck. Meanwhile, I pick one bundle on the BMW, and tick the boxes for the performance stuff and…
Exactly. Different dealer experience, different service experience, different warranty experience, different quality... I just quoted out the GT2 for fun the way I’d want it, at 53k. That’s almost starting M340i pricing...
Nope. Which positions it directly against the germans and cadillac; and optioned the way I wanted it, I’d have gone with the Germans for slightly more. :( Good car, but I’m a sucker for all the tick boxes, and at that price point it hurts a bit more (>50k).
Just wish they had a sane interior. I am not a fan of the model 3 interior (and yes, I’ve driven them quite a bit).
I’ve had several convertibles, targas, and other removable top cars. When I was younger, they were amazing. As I age, the noise/buffeting/sun abuse/etc gets older and older. I have a Miata I’m selling soon, and I think I’ll get something without the removable top next time. It was my transition out of motorcycles,…
TT is dead.
Yep. It’s... bad. This is why I REALLY want autonomous cars - not for me right now, but for me when I get old.
As you said, YMMV - I’ve seen times when that would be true, and times when it was harder the other way (including an aged aunt saying “they took away my home...”, because the kids couldn’t be bothered to help anymore, and another that was dangerous because they let her keep the car (with a warning sign on it not to…
Dementia is cruel. Alzheimers is cruel. Something that is a distraction may be better than the fight, especially since it’s cruel not only to the one that has it, but their loved ones, caretakers, and even the random public.
Companies rarely lease cars for individuals anymore; many of those individual leases are the company reimbursing the individual on a per-mile basis (there are some legal issues with just doing a company car, and that’s before you include things like insurance liability and the like).
A LOT of leases are effectively corporate cars - mileage paid -> lease payment. People want something they know for that.
I agree that’s the target demographic, in theory, but I also think it includes “And who give a crap about electric cars” - you’re missing that part of that demographic doesn’t care. Now, that’s good (they’ll buy it if it looks good, fits their needs, etc), as per your premise with the electric CUV, but also bad…
But the overlap on that group and those that are heavily interested in EV cars (vs just a car in general) isn’t necessarily all that big - I don’t know how big it is (almost certainly larger than the 2%, mind you, so you’re correct) but it’s not 60% either. That’s the real question, and I’m not sure anyone has done…
This assumes you have a home where one of those could be installed (not an apartment/etc).
Because you want it to last more than 30,000 miles?
63 I get, what was special about the 84 that wasn’t there on the 85?
Yep, especially in a Miata where dropping it is “reach up, toss backwards”. I use mine with AC all the time in heart of summer - so I don’t arrive smelling like ass somewhere I need to be. On the way home? Drop it and enjoy, once you’re out of the city.
While I agree with you, I’d point out two slight counter arguments: