I’ll grant this is more vapor than the others, but how many years now has it been since the announcements?  I’d even call the Supra vaporware until it came out - how many teasers did we get of it?  

And 3DRealms had working examples of Duke Nukem Forever for 10 years too.  Doesn’t make it less vaporware, in my humble opinion.  Just means they’ve built random prototypes and claimed it’s going to exist.  

About as vapor as the Tesla Semi and Roadster then?  

Looks great.  Now put the ecoboost in it.  :D 

Don’t forget altitude for those of us who live up high. The IS350 makes less power than the 250 where I live; density altitude is a right proper pain.

Except here’s the thing: I buy these kinds of cars, and I’m not buying a Tesla. Tesla isn’t even on my list right now. The model 3 has a mediocre interior with only decent driving dynamics, limited range and utility for what I do, a mixed bag of a service experience, and awesome power. It’s not something I’m even…

ICE sports sedans aren’t dead for a while yet; even with Tesla - lots of folks just don’t like the Tesla model 3, and the S is a significant price difference.

Counterpoint: The 3.5L V6 is an ancient brick that is outclassed by everything else in the market. They’re still on a 6-speed for the AWD portion, it doesn’t get the LSDw with AWD (matters for a large part of the market), and it’s just meh. This was nice when it came out in 2012ish. It was ok in 2016.  Now it’s just…

You think people who buy/lease them new care? 

Agreed except Cadillac; no one actually cares what they do anymore. 

I’ve got fingers slightly crossed for an emissions compliant TT kit for them; either of them.  I live too high for N/A motors.  

Not really? I was seriously interested at first, watched the reveal, watched the commentary, browsed the configurator, counted the sheckles for a 2LT with Z51... And got bored. It’s another N/A pushrod V8 with an automatic, this one just has clutches. No tracks on any drive I like to do, and I’d rather have a…

Not really? I was seriously interested at first, watched the reveal, watched the commentary, browsed the configurator, counted the sheckles for a 2LT with Z51... And got bored. It’s another N/A pushrod V8 with an automatic, this one just has clutches. No tracks on any drive I like to do, and I’d rather have a…

I average close to 30k a year, about 22k of that on one of the three cars.  

Somehow after 10 years I’ve missed that one.  Not sure how, but cool.  Cool cool cool cool cool.  

Doesn’t actually do anything for me :(  

Are you joking?  Did I miss the sarcasm tag?  

Worse engine and RWD only.  I know that’s why I didn’t even look at it - with the auto, it’s now on equal terms with BMW/Audi/MB, and I went with the BMW.  

WRX is all that’s left; BMW stopped, Audi stopped...  that leaves...?  Cadillac?  

I just want turbos.  Altitude is a merciless evil that saps everything else of all joy.