Have to get there first.  Here, my off-road place is 194 miles up the highway, and then about 35 miles of trail.  :(  

It’s also gonna be FWD, which means they’re sketchy on even letting chains pass sometimes.  They want AWD AND chains.  Or AWD and good M+S tires.  

This.  Hell, I’ll put him up at my place.  We can swap stories about Jeeps and watch the snow fall, and I even have good bourbon.  And best of all, I have HEAT.  

And that’s old.  they’re now saying bands of 24-36" in places.  This is gonna be a bad one.  

You sweet sweet summer child.

There’s no dual-clutch in the Veloster N.  

This is an AMAZINGLY good take.  Have a star. 

Counterpoint: The GS was not actually good, and no one really asked for a wagon (that buys new cars). Or they bought an Outback, because Outback. (Or an E63 wagon, because rich). No one in this price bracket (a few oddballs aside) actually buys wagons unless they’re a Subaru.  

Sign up for Hertz/National/whoever ahead of time, go out and get your car and talk to no-one.

... Yes.

You could haggle.  Just tell them that’s the only way they’re getting a sale, and magically, prices start moving (had 3 at various points in time).  

4 is totally subjective (don’t disagree), but 3 goes to my main point with the interior - this is a car designed for autonomy first, muscle-memory driving second. I care less about that in a truck/suv that I’m loafing along in, but care a LOT about that in a car where I tend to buy sporty/cockpit like designs (see:…

Because:

I’d argue it works great for BMW - lots of those sold (I drive one for that matter) and it’s a great way to get 90% of the M car without the price, and sometimes with a few more “daily bearable” options as well.  

This is also a good take.  

Thirded.  I’m interested, because this is basically a M340i competitor.  It’s not an M3, but that’s something they lacked (the options on the base ATS/CTS were not competitive across the board before).  This I like.  

Give it a stick and you have me for sure.  Even without, it’s going to be up there.  

Eh, I’ve cross-shopped a ton, all within a price range. When I got my ZL1, I looked at: Used Vipers, Used DB9/Vantage, Used R8, TT-RS, Kit Cars, etc. When I bought my C5, I did the same.

Still have to buy it from a Hyundai dealer though. That’s the big issue that makes me pause from time to time (for things like the Veloster N as well). Are they still doing the concierge service, or do you have to go in for service too? Loaners, or is it like bringing in your Accent hatch with crank windows?

Totally fair, just making sure you knew about it. I’ve known folks that were doing fine, but the officers took a ... dim view of driving a Camaro/Vette in the snow when it was bad.