Until one day, early in the morning without enough coffee, you accidentally inflate to 143 PSI, and when you hit the washer button, it blasts the top of the car clean off as a perfect demonstration of “water jet”.  

New they’re within a few percentage points of each other in terms of price. That’s the problem - I can get an overall better package by sacrificing a ~little~ bit of performance that I cannot use daily (well, maybe the brakes, idiot CRV driver on your cell phone...), for a better interior, sound system, service model,…

I’d take a C63 or E-whatever over the ATS-V/CTS-V. This is especially true of the M5/CTS-V comparison (AWD - it matters where I live). But again, this is ~new~ pricing.

It’s the whole package I’m looking at, especially when buying new. Yes, the car handled a little better than the competition, but they had a significantly nicer interior, and they cost about he same... That’s a trade off I’ll make, since it’s not a track car, and i have to live with it every day around town too.

Because they never quite got the interiors or the rest of the experience right. I wanted to like the ATS; it never was quite enough. Almost bought a super lightly used ATS-V, though- the performance made up for it, but not at MSRP. :(. 

Look up Doug DeMuros articles on this.

If you’re only making 13.3k / yr, you’re getting all of your taxes ~back~ at the end of the year anyway.  Or really really should be.  

Go to the big city at some point and you’ll understand. With that many people in that small an area, especially with the weather patterns and number of scavengers, it gets messy ~fast~.

There’s apparently an NHTSA report that also states Chrysler knew about this, but ignored it to hit production numbers.  I’m betting on a class-action lawsuit if it’s true.  

They’re just getting ready early to be owned by David Tracy.  

David Tracy’s spare rust?  

Bought a new ZL1 in 2013, and a new Wrangler in 2016, both with manuals. I’m doing my part! Or trying to... As for the sedans... almost did a 340XI with stick (ended up with a 550M xDrive :-/), and before that almost did a Mazda 3 or WRX (ended up with a stupid deal on a used G37 instead). Just no sedan with a stick…

Stop breeding. It’s a thing.

Working out. It’s a thing. 

You bastard.  You’ve got me searching Ebay for GT-Fours now.  Best looking Celica ever.  

You miss that many of the folks driving that Civic were doing it in the mid-2000s, and wishing for the Type-R, just like many were driving a Chevette in the early 80s, and wishing for a 69 SS. Eventually the Chevette folks grew up and paid stupid money for the 69, and eventually the Civic people grew up and bought the…

Honda made 320 of them, not millions. Bolting together your own isn’t the same as having an original, any more than an original Mach 1 Mustang is the same as taking a 1969 Fastback and putting it together yourself. If you’re just looking at performance and driving, sure - but collecting? Or desiring? Those are…

Marginally.  A new BMW costs close to the same in NYC or middle-of-nowhere.  Used, maybe less so, but most things stay close to MSRP for new.  

That’s the thing though - when there are no jobs or anything else, things are cheap.  I suspect this car went to someone in one of the bigger cities, or who does business in them.  Everyone forgets that with high cost of living, generally wages are high too, which makes things like this not that expensive.  

It’s somewhat relative.  Where I live, 60k isn’t even a downpayment on a house these days.  Condo, sure - but not a house.  Pay scales with the housing costs, so the Civic isn’t even all that expensive, relatively again.