I won’t argue that point.

Even with full coverage on a paid off car you aren’t paying $XXX on a monthly car payment, so you’re still further ahead to drive a paid off vehicle.

Paid off car + repairs/maintenance will always be cheaper than payments + repairs/maintenance + full coverage insurance.

Chances are they are upside-down because they couldn’t afford a down payment.

There is a GIANT screen in the dash.

IMO, the 8 speed auto is far more fun in these cars than the manual.

I don’t think that is Plum Crazy though, this is Plum Crazy:

Spoken as someone who’s never pushed a Challenger through the twisties.

Camaro and Mustang are more Sports cars than Muscle cars these days.

Who wants a minivan that can barely get out of it’s own way?

Compared to my 2nd gens, the new one drives like a hippo on rollerskates, even in GT trim. They drive better than the competition, but that’s not saying much.

1. They’ve gained an obnoxious amount of weight.

You’d be surprised by the amount of people who don’t buy minivans because they’re not mini anymore.

Pretty much.

Pretty sure that’s CUVs now bro.

IMO the Pacifica is ugly.

Hey, if the Grand Caravan wasn’t an overweight/rolly pig, and could be had with the good suspension without needing to go to the top model, I would have a brand new van in my driveway.

5th Gear: Dodge Doesn’t Seem Too Hot on the Journey or Grand Caravan

It does very well in a SWB van. I’ve done some mild porting, bigger TB, intake, and exhaust on it as well, so it pulls very strong.

If I ever come across a wrecked 4.0L/6-speed combo, it will end up in my van. The 4.0L was such an amazing engine in the vans.