The conversation about removing the foreskin is indeed an important one, but this is a conversation about mutilation of the vulva, clitoris, and labia, for the purposes of inhibiting a person’s sexual desire and agency. Removing the foreskin of the penis is not about preventing penis-havers from feeling or seeking…

I think you need more information before you rush to compare the two. Did the girls have their clitoral hood removed, OK, maybe you can compare. Did those girls have their clitoris removed? That’s the equivalent of cutting off a man’s penis. I understand you were mutilated, but the comparison could be potentially…

Nobody is saying to ignore those other fights. They’re saying that by bringing them up when we are clearly talking about FGM, you’re distracting from a very important discussion. This is like a classical definition of sidetracking.

Did I ever say they weren’t? I specifically said biologically and publicly identifying as for a reason. And no I will not get out of here because you decided to come in here and derail an issue and make it about you. And if you can’t see how that bullshit “but what about circumsion” arises every single time FGM is…

As another trans woman who was circumcised at birth and not thrilled that it still goes on, you really need to cut this bullshit out. Even if you sincerely believe that a circumcision is comparable to a clitoredectomy (lol) I can guarantee you that all you’re doing right now is pissing off would-be allies and giving…

You brought up penile circumcision on an FGM post in the first place. You did the exact same thing that MRAs do. I realize you did it for entirely different reasons — as I wrote, your experience is important and valid — but it is NOT this. You are a woman who experienced penile circumcision and that is not what is…

I haven’t seen any comment saying circumcision is “no big deal.” I’ve seen comments saying they aren’t the same, which they aren’t. They are radically different medical procedures with drastically different intentions and end results. The only people being silenced are the poor girls who undergo this procedure because…

You might be a woman but you still retain your pre-transition level of male entitlement and desire to mansplain to others about stuff you don’t understand. When you are born with a vagina and it is cut away as a child and sewn shut and infected then you can talk.

No. I realize we are all limited to our lived experience, but your experience here is not analogous with what this doctor did or what people commonly refer to as FGM.

Nowhere did this article even bring up circumcision. Why is it so hard to stay on topic when it’s about an atrocity that’s done to women’s sexual organs? Why is it always, “We must discuss the penis first!”

Let me reiterate, go fuck yourself. And you don’t give a shit about women and you don’t get to decide what hurts us and what doesn’t.

The greys? I’m not familiar with that expression. Could you tell me what it means? 

I don’t know what the hell people are always on about the foreskin for. I had it done to me. I don’t remember any of it, and both I and my lady love can attest to its lack of impact on anything that mattered.

I REALLY don’t know how…

Yes, but there’s a time and a place to talk about nonconsentual circumcision of the penis. Generally speaking, it’s not when talking about forced clitorectomies, since that’s a specific problem that has proven pernicious and needs to be stamped out.

You really think that removing the labia and hood are “close” to taking off the foreskin? I truly don’t believe that it’s analogous at all. (I’m a trans woman myself, by the way, and back before GCS, I was circumcised too. And don’t believe for one moment that it had any deleterious or damaging effect on anything,…

What the fuck? No. That is like saying if woman A slept with woman B who was trans but before she had transitioned in any way, or even publicly identified that way, then woman A has slept with a woman even though at that time woman B was biologically and publicly identifying as a man. Circumcision done to you as a…

Hood, yes. Labia? Not at all. Maybe if you were trimming some “excess” skin off the scrotum, that would be analogous.

I love my nonconsensually circumcised penis and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

Agreed. As someone upthread said, if you REALLY wanna talk equivalent, it’d be like removing the glans of the penis.

No, amputating a girl’s labia isn’t “kinda close” to a male circumcision, an arguably outdated but still minor procedure developed by men to reduce men’s vulnerability to STDs and skin diseases prior to antibiotics and modern hygiene. What a disgusting thing to say. Own your privilege as someone assigned male at birth…

This disgusts me. How can a woman, who knows how painful this will be for the girl throughout her life.... how can she DO that?? How do mothers allow this to happen??