So he made up the gun? Hoping the cops would plant one at the scene for him? I like the comedy in that legal defense strategy.

Did Means actually have a gun? The article doesn’t really establish this fact one way or another. If he didn’t, this is an open and shut case. If he did, I’m afraid that wiggle room will get him off. Naturally, the defense will make sure the illegal gun possession and prior domestic abuse stay out of the case and…

“Honor” affects rape victims, who can be children, and who can then be turned into brides. You are either unaware of what rape victims experience in these regions, or ignoring them. We are specifically discussing when rape victims are also children.

You are either being thick or willfully ignoring what I am actually saying. I was never talking about the EU. You need to stop equating Europe with the EU. They are different things. Venn diagram that shit. I agree that the EU can set its own rules for its own exclusive club, we don’t disagree on that point. I was…

To clarify:

Is your definition of Europe based on wealth? I agree that Turkey is much poorer than many European countries, and most EU countries (GDP per capita is lower, but GDP growth is faster). But I was never arguing for Turkish membership in the EU. I was talking about “Europe”, a vague concept with fuzzy borders that…

Your overgeneralization about muslims is excessive. Everything you said applies to christians too. Christians are also based on groups and collectivese and clans. Christianity certainly isn’t interested in individual freedom. Let’s be honest, individualism and humanism is a secular concept, and christians and muslims…

What factually are you objecting to in my statements? It is easy to suggest that I am misinformed, but provide some context.

I think you’re overreacting. I took the OP comment as meaning that those actions were lip service. The despot in power now wasn’t actually “modernizing” the country in meaningful ways, just using the EU parade as a way to gain credibility as a “democratic leader” and “modernizer” and then later as an excuse to reject…

“Europe” isn’t a place. As a continent, it’s borders are arbitrary. You are excluding Turkey to fit your own view of how the world should work. Geographically, Cyprus is less in Europe than Turkey either (it’s further east, not connected by land), but it’s in the EU. Russia reaches the Pacific Ocean, it’s considered…

Yup! This and totally this. Europe’s racism and anti-muslim-ism has driven Turkey in this direct.

Lol!

This is brilliant. And the only reason he would do this too. A dictator can’t put his own daughter in prison for opposing him.

Yetta is sadly right. In rural regions of Turkey (and elsewhere) “Honor” of women and girls is still a strong concept - such that mothers of raped daughters would rather see their daughters married off to the rapists as a way of legitimizing them. A rape victim would be ostracized and because she is no longer a virgin…

I’m not so sure this is about religion. It’s more about the separation from modern civilization that happens in remote rural regions in this developing country. They are following the old ways, which are more about convenience for unmarried men than they are about adhering to some religious practice. “Honor” of women…

Wow! A comment on a post from four years ago!

Can it be both? Out of the ashes like a phoenix and all...

This is a version of “white men are heroes” when they do things that they should or that others do. Women who fight for equality are name-called but men get praised. Look how hard they are trying!

Came here to say this - he’s obv. just gonna go after the child support.

Unfortunately the name is tainted for many liberals too. It a “thing” to say you’re for women, but not admit to being a feminist. Probably too many people don’t understand what the word does and doesn’t mean, and are afraid to commit to a word they don’t understand.