To all of this, I'd say, yes, good points. Joel has very good reasons to be angry. But his expression of that anger is shitty.

But what we're not seeing are actual two sided conversations and that's on the writers. There's a way to get support without being an asshole about it. If that's how you're going to treat your spouse, then why even stay? This whole undercurrent of "YOU OWE ME" undermines any wiling support the ower might want to…

Sure, but then the first thing she does when she gets back is make plans with someone she just spent 3 months with. And then came home late about it. And then, not even home for 24 hours starts talking about leaving again. It just seems like she's punishing the guy for not changing their whole lifestyle to suit HER…

It's so out of character for her too. Because a real life Camille would probably age gracefully.

Yes. Because if Joel was still the same character that started the show HE'D be the one pushing for counseling LONG before any of this nonsense happened. I'm all for character arcs, but this is off the chart for him completely. You don't go from "sensitive, caring communicator and team player" to "Abrasive…

Exactly. The way this is written it looks like he's just looking for a reason to leave so he can go sleep with Pete.

Aside from Adam, None of the Bravermans seem like they picked great communicators as spouses, that's for sure. And it looks like they get it from their parents. PARENTHOOD! I'm so mad at this show. Sorry.

I'm probably no the first to say this, but Flowers in the Attic isn't on in Chicago until Saturday.

I hate Joel and I hate Camille. Both of them are selfish pieces of garbage. And I really wished Julia had told Joel to just leave during the bathroom scene. "Your life? Get on with your life? Fine. Leave now."

Sounds to me as if Ms. Burstyn read her source material in Garden of Shadows.

Any Detroit team, but most specifically the Lions. The Raiders, because seriously. Really? Also, fuck the Yankees. And any fan of Michael Vick.

I COMPLETELY forgot about Joel and the playdate mom!! It makes me even more angry with him and how the writers are creating inexplicable and inconsistent character choices for him. Previous Seasons Joel would never behave like this. Ever.

So, we're all holding out for a Branson/Mary romance, right? Please??

When did Zeek do whipits? I only saw him eat whip cream from the can.

I love this movie. That is all.

I haven't even finished reading this review, and I have to say something. I absolutely disagree with siding with asshat Jasmine on this one. Why does she basically get 2 cars?? Why can't they trade in her WAY MORE VALUABLE FOR A TRADE-IN VW, and Crosby gets to keep his car? Unless he doesn't have a backseat, in…

So…co-ed bathrooms????  Is this a thing now???

So many UGHS I don't even know where to begin.

I just saw the radar article on Krissi's tweets.  Ugh.  I take back any and all defensive remarks I've made in her favor.  Gross.  

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