I don't care about Sisko killing vermin. What bugs me is that DS9 *pretended* to care about Sisko killing vermin and then just discarded that principle for a cheap story beat — very symptomatic of later Trek. As I said, I would have preferred it if they just shrugged their shoulders and killed the vermin from the…

I don't care about Sisko killing vermin. What bugs me is that DS9 *pretended* to care about Sisko killing vermin and then just discarded that principle for a cheap story beat — very symptomatic of later Trek. As I said, I would have preferred it if they just shrugged their shoulders and killed the vermin from the…

Picard was upset about his orders. He wasn't upset about his ancestry; in fact, he and Riker discussed it and agreed the very idea is absurd.

I find all the talk about how DS9 is all about consequences to be mostly nonsense. The show pressed reset on its moral dilemmas many, many times. Heck we just had a reset episode this week in which Garak, Quark, and Odo all come this close to changing their lives irrevocably, but the plot is all worked out so that…

I find all the talk about how DS9 is all about consequences to be mostly nonsense. The show pressed reset on its moral dilemmas many, many times. Heck we just had a reset episode this week in which Garak, Quark, and Odo all come this close to changing their lives irrevocably, but the plot is all worked out so that…

Neelix's jealousy is embarrassing and not fun to watch. He become a passable-to-great character from the moment Kes leaves the show. In fact, Kes becomes a passable-to-great character from the moment Kes leaves the show.

Neelix's jealousy is embarrassing and not fun to watch. He become a passable-to-great character from the moment Kes leaves the show. In fact, Kes becomes a passable-to-great character from the moment Kes leaves the show.

That was utterly ridiculous. What possible difference could it make to their success whether they stun the vermin or kill them? None. Sisko just gets pissed and throw his principles out the window just because he's mad at the Cardassians, so he decides to start killing pseudo-rodents *for no good reason*.

That was utterly ridiculous. What possible difference could it make to their success whether they stun the vermin or kill them? None. Sisko just gets pissed and throw his principles out the window just because he's mad at the Cardassians, so he decides to start killing pseudo-rodents *for no good reason*.

I believed Garak would when first watching the episode, but after watching it, I could never believe he would again. Therefore, all of the intrigue is sucked out of his character as of Profit & Loss. After this it seems just a question of filling in backstory. Big mistake, IMO. They should have kept us on a true…

I believed Garak would when first watching the episode, but after watching it, I could never believe he would again. Therefore, all of the intrigue is sucked out of his character as of Profit & Loss. After this it seems just a question of filling in backstory. Big mistake, IMO. They should have kept us on a true…

Why didn't you just beam the universe out of there? After all, you must have a transporter system with pattern buffers the size of an entire universe, right? Apparently, everybody's got one.

Why didn't you just beam the universe out of there? After all, you must have a transporter system with pattern buffers the size of an entire universe, right? Apparently, everybody's got one.

And yet, BSG's ratings sucked ass compared to both DS9 and Voyager. It had Enterprise-level ratings or worse.

And yet, BSG's ratings sucked ass compared to both DS9 and Voyager. It had Enterprise-level ratings or worse.

Of course DS9's ratings got worse. You can't sit on your haunches for the first 2 or 3 seasons thinking you're floating on top of a sure-winner franchise, without paying for it, no matter how much you turn yourself around later.

Of course DS9's ratings got worse. You can't sit on your haunches for the first 2 or 3 seasons thinking you're floating on top of a sure-winner franchise, without paying for it, no matter how much you turn yourself around later.

There probably is a fanwank in which Garak's flipflopping in 'Profit and Loss' makes sense, but that isn't the point. The entire plot turned on his decision-making and that decision-making was capricious and entirely opaque — therefore, so is the plot of this episode. That's one reason it has no bite. The other reason…

There probably is a fanwank in which Garak's flipflopping in 'Profit and Loss' makes sense, but that isn't the point. The entire plot turned on his decision-making and that decision-making was capricious and entirely opaque — therefore, so is the plot of this episode. That's one reason it has no bite. The other reason…

Fair enough. I really didn't like Shadowplay and especially not Paradise. My objection was aimed at the characterisation of high stakes storytelling as somehow 'cheap' which now I see that you probably didn't intend in the way that I perceived. Thanks for clarifying!