There’s nothing wrong with not wanting to be one either. If one wants to say victim then they can say victim if one wants to say survivor and you judge them because you think it means they will never move on? Who the fuck are you to judge that and enforce that on them?

Glad we could end this on some sort of agreement. All the best.

She’s calling her a liar at worst and and best dismissing her entire experience as not possible. So fine if she’s not calling her a liar she’s still saying it could never happen and thus diminishing the student’s experience. She then wraps it up with by saying the whole thing is melodrama and reducing the whole thing…

I never says states, but it’s pretty heavy implication. A key point of the accusation from the student was the professor coerced her to drink too much. Kipnis then goes on to outright doubt that a professor could ever coerce a student to drink (I think we all know that it is absolutely possible to coerce someone to do…

You have literally no right to tell other people that they have to accept victimization. Also most people don’t just move on frim rape just like that. Sorry but if you had a personal objection to the term that’d be one thing but a global objection? No sorry. You don’t get to tell people in healing that they have to be…

But the case has intellectual baring on her argument. Unless to say that student is an example of an infantalized feminist on campus? And if she is saying that. That’s abhorrent. Sorry but she again all but outright calls the student a liar. She uses it at best to make the point that everything is rape these days, or…

So I was reading your post in my head in own voice until This one’s for you Morph, without pausing or missing a beat or thinking for even a slight second I immediately read This one’s for you Morph in Wolverine’s voice from TAS.

So weird.

Except that part of the story has no barring, other than for her to somewhat offhand dismiss the PTSD of that student and call her a liar by saying no professor could ever coerce a student into drinking, which is patently bullshit.

If I focus on this it’s because I think this is the crux of the Title IX claim and I…

No I mean Sulkowicz she is a potential rape victim here, I mean sure maybe she’s lying, but she did not name him and I think that is worth something and I do think it’s completely different that her not naming him is not the same as Kipnis not naming this student. One is trying to talk about your own experiences which…

Apology accepted. I of course disagree that she has in any way made a solid argument that women are self-infantalizing.

But she provides no nuance for in between ie actual rape survivor and I think even her acceptance of it for incest is kinda debatable. Also I’ve literally never heard of fondling being called rape and I can’t verify anything she is saying and I know this is probably my bias but everything she says is so over the top…

But she is pretty incredulous about it. But hey sure maybe I’m wrong, definitely think accusing me of not being able to read is a great way to have this conversation.

Well except on is someone directly involved ie the potential victim, and the other is a third party that probably shouldn’t be so openly discussing a case, especially in such ways that all but call the student a liar, that is none of her business. There is a massive difference.

Also Students can just post articles like…

Not really you can’t extrapolate this one event to some nation wide feminist crisis, and again all we know is her argument. The students have no voice in this piece or anything else right now. They are probably over the line, but everything is filtered through Kipnis, both sources are things written by her on her…

As soon as she scare quotes around survivor when talking about incest survivors it’s pretty clear to me her intention is to state that the term survivor should never have expanded beyond the Holocaust.

If you disagree that’s your prerogative.

Also it’s a baffling segue to go from survivor talk to triggers, I have seen…

I made my argument, she invokes the Holocaust as a means to diminish incest and rape survivors. There is no reason to bring up the Holocaust in that piece other than to diminish and dismiss the experiences of those she’s upset with, sexual harassment, groping (and she veers into even saying this about incest) is no…

So you don’t think all but accusing incest and rape victims who like to use the term survivor of trivializing the Holocaust is out of line? All in the name of defending teachers fucking their students?

There’s nothing fundamental about Johnny Storm’s race. Micheal B Jordan is the most talented actor in that cast, it’s beyond stupid to point to him as even a slight reason why this film might not be good.

I mean hell Doctor Doom is probably going to be a disaster but here you are in this thread defending all the…

Uhhhh. You know thry might have adopted her first and then had Johnny right?

Micheal B Jordan has a working history with Trask. He was the first actor attached to this project.