There are always going to be guns. People are going to get them no matter what the laws are. They are easily made, easy to conceal, they are instruments of death. They are the primary tool by which this country was made. From a martial standpoint, it’s the responsibility of the club owner to protect their guests from…

you’re obviously more knowledgeable on the subject than me...i was merely stating that rogue elements of any source could be responsible...it could be any acronym you please... it just seems kind of dumb to just assume anything at all these days.

I don’t know man...I’m just a dude with a laptop wading into a swamp.

it may be a little naive to assume all elements of the US system(s) are in concert or even agree with one another... perhaps we don’t know everything that goes on...I am not a theorist as much as I am completely uninformed about the inner workings of government...perhaps you could enlighten me...

and i didnt say the government was a joke i said the NSA and the chinese theory are both jokes about who could have hacked the info...it could have been a 14 year old from romania for all we know

How do you know anything was actually stolen in any real sense?

either way...the gubbermint is still vulnerable to attack from within and without and isn’t the stalwart bastion of security they so loudly claim to be. The NSA is a fucking joke and so’s the chinese theory. I don’t trust anything any of them have to say.

Too easy to blame it on foreign hackers...could just as easily be an element within the system that is attempting to assert total control. NSA anyone? anyone? To assume that we can trust the word of people who just got their clocks cleaned by “hackers” to name the perpetrator accurately is perhaps not the brightest…