Oh, that's what you were asking about? A doctor could easily say their patient was a threat to themselves, or to others, and have them 'sectioned' (to use the British term). I've had to take people I know to the mental health wing of the local hospital on more than one occasion, and I'm not even a doctor: it's…

No, but nevertheless, that power differential exists, because of that possibility, even if she wasn't thinking about it in those terms.

"You are correct. And, if mentally sound people go along with it, going along with it is their fault. It is their fault even if they have self-esteem issues. And although mental illness, to a certain extent, does diminish responsibility, they still have that responsibility. A person who is, ultimately, not at all…

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You wouldn't believe how many of his co-workers and colleagues testified that this guy would not do such a thing, despite the fact that he's been brought before the medical board for inappropriate behaviour before. Of course, it's not necessarily any kind of conspiracy, but because…

Oh, I never said it was the same at all: I was simply speaking to the 'people-pleaser' aspect of the situation. I mean, the sex, gender, sexual orientation, situations, everything about it is entirely different, I was merely talking about my personal experience because some people don't seem to understand to what…

Sorry, I misspoke: I should have made it clear that postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis are different, albeit interrelated. There's clearly a danger in conflating the two. I'm just saying that that postpartum can become serious if left untreated, and that depending on the severity, it can substantially…

Yeah, but I'm not suffering from post-partum depression either. I was merely talking about the 'people-pleaser' aspect, which I think is definitely a factor which needs to be considered, but only one of many other issues that need to be considered.

I'm not sure how I would react if my doctor (and I've had quite a few…

You make it sound like the doctor doesn't have any friends, or colleagues, or contacts, or pull, or influence, or favours, or any number of other ways in which he can assert his will over his patient far beyond the confines of the doctor's office. Doctors wield considerable power in society, are looked up to by…

It's definitely a fine line between infantilizing people and finding victims where none exist... and seeing that there are multiple factors to consider which may impact and impinge on how the situation and the relationships between those involved are assessed.

Maybe it's because you're not a 'people-pleaser' so you don't understand, but I was socialized to be very much a 'yes-man': I have difficulty saying no to people's requests, even if it's particularly onerous to me.

And yet, when I'm asked to do something, I'll usually happily agree to do it, smiling, as if it's…

How many depressed people do you know who murdered their children and committed suicide? Because that's what the extreme end of post-partum psychosis does to women whose post-partum depression goes untreated.

Post-partum lies on a spectrum, and for every woman who successfully manages to overcome it with counselling,…

The onus is on the doctor to not engage with a patient in that way, outside of the office, in a non-professional capacity. Even if the patient was naked and grabbing his penis, he should be yelling for his staff to come and get her off him, not going along with it. :(

Ur, I would argue that trusting a total stranger to be sticking fingers inside you is pretty damned personal, and even more reason why it should be illegal, not just considered grounds for losing one's licence to practice.

I've had to have some very intimate parts of my body seen and handled by doctors and it's _never_…

Well put. It also requires an understanding of the power dynamics and differentials which can make even a 'yes' a coerced response, which a lot of people here seem to not understand.

They also don't seem to realize that post-partum depression (and related psychoses) are severe mental health issues: at their worst,…

Post-partum depression is a mental health issue. She's the victim here, even if both the doctor and her own family have her convinced that she's partly to blame.

Just because it _looks_ consensual, doesn't mean it is. She wasn't in any position to consent, because she really was not well mentally due to her…

I mean, is this not illegal? And if not, shouldn't it be?

Abuse of power by medical professionals is just... ugh, it's beyond creepy. :( If people can't trust their doctors, people are not going to open up about their health issues and the patients suffer. This loss of what should have been an inviolable trust is…

*sigh* And to think, this is exactly the sort of situation that medical ethics is supposed to be preventing, _because_ of the power differential, particularly in a doctor-patient relationship where the physical body's most intimate parts are routinely on display and where people are emotionally vulnerable because they…

Especially if they are pot brownies. ;)

But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends - You give a lovely light? :)

You know, I'm liking Lorde more and more now. I totally know what she means about putting on bravado to counter being 'paralyzingly nervous'.