@T. L. Morgendorffer: OK. I disagree with you. Also, I would argue that the "gray" cases you are likely thinking of are not being prosecuted anyway, given how difficult it is to get any rape prosecuted.
@T. L. Morgendorffer: OK. I disagree with you. Also, I would argue that the "gray" cases you are likely thinking of are not being prosecuted anyway, given how difficult it is to get any rape prosecuted.
@T. L. Morgendorffer: I understand where you are coming from on this a bit more now. That said, I still don't understand your focus on women lying about rape. (Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you have shifted the focus of past rape threads this way as well.) Is it that you imagine most women who report…
@T. L. Morgendorffer: Was that her point? Because, also from the article: She told GQ she had herself been date-raped several times in her late teens and early 20s. "I was (date-raped), yes. A couple of times." But she did not report the assaults because "you couldn't do that in those days."
@T. L. Morgendorffer: Who suggested that every regrettable sexual encounter is rape? I've regretted sex before without considering it rape. As far as I've noticed, no one here has been using the terms interchangeably.
@info*ninja: Thanks for bringing that into the conversation. Yes, the sole variable responsible for whether or not one is raped is the presence of a rapist. I have put myself in many unsafe situations and have come out unscathed. But one time, I didn't.
@bria: I agree, but I think words are very important when dealing with a sexual assault and I was in the wrong for implying she was a victim when she did not consider herself as such.
@ToniRockyhorror: Regardless of the feasibility of an acquaintance rape claim holding up in court, she still shouldn't have said what she did, as it undermines women who've been sexually assaulted. The part about negotiation especially bothers me, because if the man had been open to negotiation, the rape would not…
@T. L. Morgendorffer: You're right; it's not my place to label you a victim, and I apologize. I haven't had a chance to look at all the links you've posted yet, but I'm wondering why you think it's important to turn a discussion about rape into one about women lying about rape. Surely you don't believe women lie about…
@ToniRockyhorror: Isn't the legal definition of rape "forcible sexual relations with a person against that person's will"?
Spotted: Eleanor Waldorf eyeing prison stripes for the spring collection.
@PrettyNotPretty: He knows what he did and made that comment because he knew it would get back to you. I am so sorry for what you went through. Thank you for sharing your story; you will find a lot of supportive people here.
@kcs: Here is a situation: Girl is raped by a guy. Wakes up in the middle of it, yells "No" repeatedly while trying to force the (much heavier) guy off of her. Finally he stops and pulls out. Guy (not a typo) was a virgin prior to this, BTW.
@kcs: There is such a thing as rape via psychological coercion. Not sure about the illegality of it in every state, though.
@Ista_talnara: Good point. I personally don't consider retracted statements proof of anything. If I had gone forward with trying to prosecute my rapist I almost certainly would have turned back at some point because he was a long-term friend. Rape victims second-guess themselves SO MUCH (and are often encouraged to do…
@Diziet_Sma: Agreed. Why the distinction needs to be made is beyond me — it is just another way of undermining women who have been victimized by a violent criminal.
@T. L. Morgendorffer: I'm sorry you consider yourself complicit in your own date rape.
@SarahMC: YES! This promotes acquaintance rape to the very demographic likely to commit it. Bravo, GQ!
@llsie: I hate the term date rape, actually, and use "acquaintance rape" instead. I think putting the word "date" in there is an attempt to undermine the victim by insinuating culpability on her behalf. I remember trying to explain what happened to me to a counselor, and she kept using the term "date rape." Every…
@hollygirl: That's where my mind went, too.
We should turn this into a game, kind of like the one where everyone takes turns writing one sentence of a story, but instead each of takes one sentence of the above screed and rips it apart.