Quick google shows 2014s going for avg 16k. at avg 30k miles. Not bad.

Well Ferrari overcame the fact that every single car they’ve ever made catches fire to win a couple of races too. Must be some sort of benedicaria witchcraft.

Traveling 70mph vs 55mph in a car that feels solid at higher speeds, for example

If people feel safer in their cars, they take more risks.

“On sale” means an interested person can buy one with money. So yes it is. Something can be on sale without being available from 30 different sellers with free two-day shipping from Amazon.

Look at that fat, bloated POS behind the Mustang, that thing is huge.

Who let edgy grandpa on the computer?

Do they offer the Traverse as a diesel? They “could” offer a diesel with this, which I would 100% pay money to buy brand new

That's not how these things work.

How is this even a debate? 350R. Flat plane crank, only slightly slower, but probably still faster around a track, and less concessions as a daily driver.

It is smaller, much smaller. Not everyone needs an 8 seater SUV.

Ever try to get in the way-back seat of a Traverse?

Something that doesn’t eat transmissions like a midnight snack and is a real SUV, not a bloated minivan?

The Traverse is the biggest pile of shit in the crossover market.

Normally I’m the first to complain about shitty customers, but I don’t think this falls into that category. It’s very frustrating when something you’re trying to purchase is taking longer than you expect and this is a $130k product that’s years later than promised. Shit, I get mad when my Amazon Prime package takes…

Sorry, you’re wrong. While I’d be all over Ford for fudging the rules, safety equipment is NOT a major upgrade even if it takes breathtaking amounts of work to install it.

I think I ordered a drink by that name at a hipster bar last weekend.

Well, since Honda is the darling of the automotive industry in so many American consumers minds, I’m sure they can sort this out with their reputation intact.

You say the Renault hatches aren’t quite Alpines, I think the Clio v6 built there was definitely batshit enough to be considered an Alpine, even if it didn’t have the badge. They maybe called RenaultSport nowadays, but Alpine hasn’t really went away, so glad the name is coming back too though.

Charisma comes in small packages.