Larry had the LC in this along with the other Toyota offroad models. Not sure why, but I actually like the 4Runner more?

I need an EV that charges to 500 miles of range in 5 minutes just like a trip to the gas station or they are trash.

When they were available dealers complained they couldn’t sell them and they are low margin (because of complexity) compared to EVs (at scale); cars take a while to build so deciding to keep something when at the time nobody wanted them was a hard sell.

Toyota had built in clientele with Prius; other OEMs were still…

I didn’t say they don’t have an impact (I won’t buy a Tesla because I don’t have an interest in giving him money); I just said that it wasn’t the primary impact that Collin was implying it is.

I would love to see Musk get his comeuppance and god willing it will happen sooner than later. But his personality has been on…

FWIW, part of the issue with Tesla (at least in the US) is that there isn’t a natural buffer of dealers buying cars. As unenjoyable as the purchase experience usual is, dealers create a ready supply purchased with a 30+ day lead time on models and cushion against erratic swings in sales v. production. Investors aren’t…

It was time; took my kids on it last year and they said “why is it so loud” and “why can’t it by like your car?” (we have an EV); that being said, I took them to F1 the year before and they asked why my car wasn’t cool like those so...{shrugs}

That was not the point I was arguing. The assertion made by Collin is that Musk’s personality and antics are “The most likely explanation for the drop in interest”.

EV sales are slowing at the moment in 2024; they are still increasing in sales volume and taking share from ICE, but the momentum compared to 2023 is…

I’d be careful to conflate name recognition with an intimate understanding of enough that the person he is or is not would change a buyers perception when it comes to Tesla at a global level.

The EV slowdown is currently well documented. Musk’s hard right proclivities were only named as possibly a reason today in Auto…

Show me either of those products that start at 40k.

They are similar in the way people argue about them on Reddit, not in purchasing activity.

I would not buy one of his vehicles because of the person he is. But that wasn’t the point I was making?

It is important to separate those who live an active online experience with the fact that a larger percentage of car buyers in the US, Europe, South America, the Middle East, and China are not connected to what is happening at Tesla or with Elon Musk in even the smallest amount. Tesla’s slowdown is at a global level…

You seriously overestimate the average car buyer (in the US and elsewhere). 

And I do not work for Stellantis.

“The most likely explanation for the drop in interest appears to be Tesla CEO Elon Musk’s personal behavior.”

“high-speed rail service”

I have found that many of the sites I used to visit have lost their interest without reading the responses. For instance the Root would have been on fire today with the Diddy lawsuit but when you get to the bottom of the article there is no catharsis.

I think removing the nature of the public forum from online news,…

Ted Cruz is a tool but also...how much longer do we think we are going to have comments here on Jalop?

Just us and Gizmodo now...?

I feel like this was a dossier put in front of Hitler at some point before the war.

I was expecting more cream cheese.