kevinjohn01
Kevin John
kevinjohn01

Also, I could make similarly obstructionist arguments that a national gun database and mandatory background checks wouldn't work unless every gun had a GPS chip in them so that LE could confirm that guns were in the homes they were registered to. And of course, that would only work if we did regular spot checks to

Basically, what you are doing here is describing how the law could ideally be enforced, if it wasn't for the fact that you would object to it: it's a very obstructionist position to take.

There are solutions to the problems you are bringing up. For instance, every time a successful NICS check is run, a unique

It would work against private sales from gun shows, it could even work at garage sales and classified ads and such with enough people running enforcement. On top of that, you could make it illegal to BUY a gun without running a background check and catch people on both sides of the equation by setting up stings for

See my edited comment above, I explained how to enforce background checks without a gun registry.

I would agree that universal registration would make universal background checks MUCH more enforceable, but saying they are the same thing is another slippery slope argument. I don't accept the argument that you couldn't have universal background checks without registration. It would help prevent law-abiding citizens

Fair enough, I'll revise my statement:
"You are not being treated like a criminal; you are acting like a child" Is that better?

I'm not sure if you are opposing mandatory NICS checks; or opposing my suggestion about regulating secondary gun markets now. If it's the latter, you are not being monitored, controlled, or

Innocent until proven guilty? You're not being convicted of a crime here. The idea that a government can't take any action that isn't to your personal interest unless you have committed a crime is absolutely ludicrous. You're not being treated like a criminal, but you (any many gun owners who share your view) are

To answer your questions:

"How are you supposed to know if someone is going to be a criminal?"
You aren't; that's the whole point of reduced liquidity in the market: guns change hands less often and have a lower risk of ending up in the hands of a criminal. We're leveraging statistics instead of trusting sellers to

So, if the video was totally out of focus and shaky, it would have been a UFO?

Ok, if you are going to put quotation marks around inaccurate paraphrasing, you've basically surrendered any attempt to make a valid argument. It sounds like the double-think is on your side of the argument, not mine.

If you trade through an FFL dealer (and run the NICS check), I have no objection to the sale at any

Well, you are getting closer to understanding my point; but you're not quite there yet.

No, you're missing my point: I'll try and re-state it more clearly. The point isn't to expand existing gun buy-back programs by pumping more money into them and paying more for the guns. The point is to try and make secondary sales MORE expensive to make gun buy backs a better option. The ultimate goal is to have LESS

You're employing a 'slippery slope' fallacy; you can't find fault with my argument, so you instead search for fault in what you claim my argument will inevitably lead to. There's a reason this has been recognized as a bad argument form for thousands of years.

Existing gun buy-back programs aren't what I am suggesting,

Hey, I'm not saying that making .22's that look like assault rifles is a good idea, lol. I am just saying that they unquestionable do exist.

I stand by my statement; go ahead and tell me that the anti-gun crowd flooded our country with hundreds of millions of firearms. It's nothing but simple supply side economics that have driven down the cost of secondary weapons. If you think the $0-$10 charge to run your purchase through NICS is what makes legal sales

There are actually quite a few manufacturers making .22's that look like more powerful weapons. I saw a .22 styled like an MP-5 at my local big-5 that made me do a double-take. Without being able to see the caliber of the barrel, it's hard to be sure.

The ironic and sad part is that firearms manufacturers and pro-gun advocates have made it cheaper to buy guns illegally than it is to buy them legally in many many instances. This is the inevitable result of flooding the market with around 300 million firearms in this country, creating huge unregulated secondary

I'm sorry, but isn't Facebook's ENTIRE BUSINESS MODEL centered on millions of retards submitting nonsense every day? You'd think they could handle a little bit more.

It's funny; but I like Walter White about as much now as I did in the beginning. At first, I liked him because he was a good person, and in spite of his incompetence as a drug lord. Now, I like him because of his competence and in spite of the fact that he is no longer a good person.

I think you are forgetting about recreational vehicles; which is what this is really a custom version of. Sure, you could probably build something like this for around $8,000 - $10,000 + dozens - hundreds of hours of your time. Or, for the same price, you could just buy an already working and ready to go used RV. I