I think that this episode, for better of worse, will have some payoffs, like the S2 episodes that introduced the concepts of time remnants ("Return of Reverse Flash") and time wraiths ("Flash Back") paid off (again, for better of for worse) in the S2 finale. I'm specifically thinking of the idea that Cisco can vibe…

Was it established that Barry spoiled the future for Flashpoint Thawne?

Seems odd that they'd use the Flashpoint version of Thawne for exactly the reason that you state in the second paragraph, especially when they established in season 2 of the Flash that another version of Thawne, who was earlier in his personal timeline than the decision to kill Barry's mother, is still out there and…

1. How far is it exactly that Barry needs to run in .21 seconds? He's at least at a mid-single digit multiple of the speed of sound after getting the Speed Equation. Unless they're factoring in Savitar's reaction time I don't see why he can't make it, unless the writers are being inconsistent with their previous…

Time horcrux?

So is the time remnant thing retconned, or are time remnants only possible for speedster? If Thawne is part of the Speed Force, why did Eddie shooting himself have any effect at all. (Haven't watched yet so maybe these questions are answered.)

But the Berlantiverse *has* been a mess about how time travel works (e.g., another version of Thawne remaining as a time remnant; Eddie killing himself only erasing Wells-Thawne from that point forward and not all of his other effects on the timeline; the timeline being somewhat fixed before the destruction of the…

Maybe it's like how Stallone was Terminator instead of Arnold in the Last Action Hero universe.

My basis was that even in the post-Flashpoint timeline, Earth-1 Wells is still gone, which suggests that whatever got changed, Thawne losing his speed, becoming Wells, moving up the particle accelerator explosion date, etc. are the same as in the pre-Flashpoint timeline, which is consistent with what we've seen.

Maybe they can reverse engineer it to subtract victims, but not add? A little forced, but not implausible.

I doubt that if Cisco sued for wrongful death, he'd be able to establish Barry's time travel antics as the proximate cause of his brother's death. My point was more that yes, a lot of good has come from Barry changing the past (even in the case with Weather Wizard 2, he saved the city and Cisco specifically and was…

I agree, but will point out that even the first time, Barry ended up jeopardizing Cisco's brother when Snart used him as leverage to get him to repair the cold gun.

I thought that LoT's Thawne was a time remnant (ugh) from season two in LoT, and that the Thawne that killed Barry's mother still had to take over for Earth-1 Wells etc.

I think she was called "Trajectory," not Velocity.

I'm guessing something like Affleck, minus the killing. The oblique reference made the figure seem a little underground to the general public, not the type of guy who gets a signal in the sky.

It took the Flash rewriting the timeline where Weather Wizard almost destroys the city for Vibe's powers to manifest. Could be analogous. Alternatively, the timeline in this case was rewritten from the moment of Barry's mom's death. No reason that Caitlin's powers, like Cicso's brother's death or the relationship…

Again with the time remnants and time wraiths, eh?

The problem is that the Arrowverse has at least 2-3 different contradictory models of time travel going on. If time remnants are a thing, Eddie killing himself shouldn't have affected Wells-Thawne, since presumably he would be a time remnant from a previous timeline. Alternatively, if Eddie killing himself wiped out…

Roy Thomas to Jim Starlin: “If you’re going to steal one of the New Gods, at least rip off Darkseid, the really good one!” Thus was Thanos born!

But the problem is, it's not just Zoom, everyone who talks about it, talks about it as if Zoom's reach was global.