I mean, they're both people I see here all the time? They they both resorted to accusations of right-wing extremism the moment I mildly criticized the Democrats. If that's random and weak sauce to you, fine, but to me, it's a sad development because I used to be able to have more nuanced arguments with people around…

Yeah there was another one who called me a right winger for not liking Clinton, but I can't remember which article that was. Fairly recently in some political newswire.

Blocked the person, it's in the thread where the two of us had our last conversation.

It's less of a left-wing and more of a liberal bubble, I'd say.
Just a few days ago I was accused of being a Breitbart troll by regulars here for suggesting that the Democratic party, and Clinton in particular, are spectacularly unpopular even with the left, and that maybe they should stop trying to pander to moderate…

Okay buddy, have fun with 8 years of Trump.

Well, I don't wanna say the primaries were rigged because that would make me sound like a conspiracy nut. But…
In all seriousness, Bernie is an independent, and people who would have voted for him in the primaries likely weren't registered as Democrats either, even if they only ever voted for Democratic candidates in…

Of course not all of them. Just 1% of them would have been enough, in the right places. 100 000 of Jill Stein's measly 1.5 million voters alone could have swung the vote in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin:
Stein votes/Trump margin:
MI: 51,463/10,704
PA: 49,678/46,765
WI: 31,006/22,177
Only in theory, of course - most…

What am I making up? Voter registration has gone up by 50 million since the '12 election, it's at an estimated record high of 200 million now, and yet voter turnout is still only at around 55%. Who or what do you think those 45% are waiting for? An even more right-wing candidate?
But go ahead, call me fake news for…

Sorry, I should have said that to ME they seemed terrible, but unlike Trump or Clinton, they weren't powerful or prolific enough to overshadow their respective party platforms, which is what people voted for.
I will say, Johnson's VP pick Bill Weld was a solid choice and probably helped get a substantial number of…

I think the main problem here is that the two of us, much like Hillary and Bernie supporters, have a fundamentally different understanding of what "left" means.

I agree with you the mostest :)

Fair enough. Personally, I wouldn't blame Green and Libertarian voters either, most of them had good reasons to be unhappy with the direction that both major parties were taking, but didn't feel right about not voting at all. I actually see the strengthening of the smaller parties as one of the few upsides of the…

Oh I'm sure those 50 million newly registered ethnically diverse voters were just disappointed that the Dems didn't nominate a more centrist candidate.

Ah, here's the problem: Hillary is not left, or even center-left. For actual leftists, the choice was between a calculating neoliberal center-right dynasty candidate, and a completely moronic right-wing candidate who at least bothered to make bogus promises of health care for all and an end to US interventionalism,…

Nah YOU are alright :)

I'm sorry, but if running an a (relatively moderate) Social Democratic platform alienates the Hillary people so much that they'd rather not vote at all, then why the hell are they even members of the Democratic party?? The Bernie people who didn't vote for Hillary had a good reason - her platform was too center-right.…

*sigh* Okay, keep aiming for those reasonable "centrists" instead of the disillusioned left. I'm sure that'll work out great.
And speaking of experience, what do you think Sanders has been doing professionally for the past, oh, 5 decades? Knitting?

Where am I getting what from? The numbers?
200 million registered voters -> www.politico.com/story/2016…
This estimate comes from a Democratic data firm, their assumption was that these 50+ million new registered voters would favor the Democrats due to their diversity, but it seems a lot of them stayed home, maybe…

Really? There are over 200 million registered voters in the US, 120-130 million of them voted in the last presidential election. You really think none of the 80+ million, most of whom are poor and working class, who didn't vote because they hated both candidates, would have changed their mind and voted if a…

That lady served in WW2 as a military truck mechanic, but yeah sure, she's intimidated by that orange hairless baboon.