MOAR PROOF THIS WORSE STAR WAR OF ALL TIME!!!11!!

Totally believe it. It’s the realization of a central point of the entire movie - that the Force doesn’t belong to the Jedi, or the Skywalkers. The Force is in everyone, and everyone is the Force. “The Force Awakens” literally meant the Force coming awake in a new generation. Snoke confirms this in TLJ - part of the…

Why? I’m not trying to be snarky. I honestly want to understand why there are some who want this series to be about there being only two or three families in this universe that matter?

For all of the debate over this, there’s an obvious lack of psychoanalysis behind Kylo’s motives for telling the truth, or for lying. Why would he do either of those things? From what we’ve seen of him in these two movies, he’s not a subtle person. He’s not got a nuanced personality; he’s all nerves, and all harsh…

Funny thing about the Dark Side users in Star Wars. They never lie. Vader is the one who tells Luke about his family. Dooku spells out his and Palpatine’s entire plan to Obi-Wan on Geonosis. Palpatine tells Anakin everything about how to save Padme in Episode III. There’s always an asterisk to what they say, but they…

She herself confirmed it, plus Vader came from a nobody on a backwater shithole of a planet too so why should her parents be somebody?

Why does he have to be lying? Kylo Ren isn’t a manipulative type villain. He has no reason to be. He wears his thoughts in his sleeve. He’s too emotionally tormented to think that many steps ahead. Thinking he’s lying is giving him too much credit. It’s doesn’t fit his character.

Having the helmet destroyed early on made perfect sense for the story. It showed just how much Snoke got to him in that scene, setting up how Snoke uses him as bait. It wouldn’t have made sense had he not been so ‘broken’.

This actually happened back in the day with Empire. People were so convinced Vader was lying that they had to get Luke back to Dagobah just so Yoda AND Obi-Wan could confirm it.

TLJ guaranteed that episode 9 will be something different, which is another reason I like it.

Did you miss the article where they dug up fan letters from 1980 where everyone insisted that Vader was lying to Luke, too?

That’s the thing. She wasn’t a baby when she was abandoned. She has always known exactly who her parents were. It was never about whether they were anyone special, only that they were her family and were coming back for her. We were the only ones who didn’t know this for sure.

Rey believed he was telling the truth, because she clearly knew it, too.

No he doesn’t, but if he isn’t honestly, what’s the alternative?

Think about the implication if she actually is a Skywalker or a Solo; so Han, Leia, Luke or any combination of those three just abandoned her on a backwater, and left her for dead and then ALL pretended like they had no idea who the fuck she was? That…

Its not a revelation, and very few people are treating it as such.

Why not? There’s nothing in the lore of Star Wars stating that powerful Force Users can only come from other powerful Force Users.

Why are we pretending that the idea that there are other people beyond the Skywalkers using the force is some kind of revelation? That’s always how it’s been. Like, in addition to the prequels, there are entire episodes of Clones Wars and Rebels that deal with other force-using kids. Not to mention half of every Star…

She said she knew the truth all along. Did you forget that part?

I think by the end of RotJ he’s a super wise always does the right thing good guy...but sometimes it takes him a minute. He got angry at Vader and beat the crap out of him...then got himself composed and saved the day by NOT killing his father.

It was a good and noble end - he went out making a difference, saving lives and having been able to say a final goodbye to his last living family and even seeing his beloved droids one last time.