Huh, that's interesting regarding not using Steam. I figured at this point Steam was synonymous with Glorious Master Race. Ah well, learn something new every day.

Yeah, that's a good counter argument when you step past the games, and its gonna be subjective to everyone.

The argument is that if PS4 can play most games, but the X1 can play all of those games plus a raft of exclusives, the X1 would be the better buy.

The lower portion is always the most interesting bit, if you know what I mean.

I'M AGREEING WITH YOU, FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

I think you're missing my point. Those players all suck, and continue to suck after leaving the Pats (or they retired, furthering the point). Thus, the Pats got all the value they could from those players before cutting them loose.

Did it? In the beginning the guy said it was a live demo...

Actually, I'm pretty sure they squeezed the maximum value out of all of them.

That smell was me shitting my pants.

OK, then by your definition, no modern electronic device that plugs into a wall is ever truly off while still being plugged (exception being computer due to the physical power toggle on the PSU?). And you're just arguing semantics at this point.

I'm sure they would, however if you've paid attention to all of the news coming out, the Kinect is able to recognize and differentiate between voices, and I'd bet they'd have an option that only allowed it to be turned on by a designated voice.

Cool, I'll buy yours then.

Its a good line of thought, and Microsoft has stated publicly that they are experimenting with using the Kinect to somehow fuel targeted advertisements (another annoying hot topic, which really only means you'd be getting ads more relevant to you, instead of, idk, diaper ads next to alcohol ads or something). So yeah,…

I dunno what you don't understand about "completely off." You will be able to turn the X1 off in the same way you can turn a computer off, with no Wake-on-device listeners, if that's what you want. Or, you can turn it to standby mode, where it sits and listens for input to turn back on.

Not necessarily. A lot of laptops come with standby as the default power button action, and require a long press to shut it down (besides using the OS shutdown method). I just think people/various media went a tad overboard with speculation.

I don't think it was Microsoft confusing anyone, I think it was people like us going on rampant speculation based on admittedly minimal information.

Yeah, and there is a way to turn it completely off.

Uhh, yeah? Because it seems like 10 different people have something to say about used games, whereas this was made as a definitive, clarifying statement. Which is exactly what people want about used games. Are you going to question whenever they make that statement, citing how they've gone back and forth about some…

This is already wrong. Microsoft staff (can't remember who, at the moment, this whole thing has too many people making statements) have already stated that there are different power states available, including off: