Err, no. I honestly don't find it to be symmetrical, nor do I find it to be something else synonymous with 'symmetry'. That's not splitting hairs so much as objecting to a mischaracterization of my viewpoint.

I see what you say about a dichotomy, but a dichotomy in no way requires symmetry. Also, I don't think there's…

Hey, they might alienate some dudebros, can't have that... Super-classy.

And I think it's great that you point it out, I have no qualms with you pointing it out.

Probably so, I hope that RoOhDINI doesn't fall prey to confirmation bias and actually learns from it.

Yeah, you don't need to realize that you are trans to have internalized transphobia - if anything, that transphobia can prevent you from realizing you're trans.

Yes, biology is a complex thing.

I shouldn't hear that, I really shouldn't.

Some of the women that men rape are transwomen. Guess who has a higher rate of being murdered raped or murdered? Transwomen. Also, there are plenty of transwomen without penises. Also, the use of 'males' to attempt to group transwomen with men is outdated at best.

as you have mentioned before, there does seem to be a symmetry between those operating out of ignorance/hate and those operating out of progressive ideals

Hmm, you don't really have to know it's 'a thing', transphobia is fairly pervasive. It's the flip-side of cissexism/cisnormativity. But if you don't think it was that, who am I to argue what's in your brain?

I don't think it essentially has to be that kind of argument, but that is what it is here. It's not a war because there are no clearly defined sides - most people in this conversation, even well-meaning people, are basing what they say on ignorance. I'm not sure how you think that I'd think that I think it's…

Well, clearly. And bodies belonging to plenty of people who are neither Male nor Female, too.

And when stories do air on television, they tend to be presented in ways that reinforce negative stereotypes about trans people.

I'm glad that from what some people have said, some of the more abusive comments are being deleted. I can only hope that's true.

Or, "Excuse me, how do you prefer I refer to you?" even.

I do so look forward to the day when I can simply rebut the Nfrizzles of the world by saying, "My uterus says your biological essentialism is wrong."

Yeah, basically the brain is saying, "Hey, I'm aroused, let's work with what we have, since it's what we have." And it may very also be shouting messages of dysphoria, but not necessarily, like you said, it's varying.

Believe it or not, despite being Trans myself, I used to have a similar attitude to yours. I would often psychologically alternate between male and female while thinking of myself almost like some kind of special snowflake and that other people were just trying to be someone they couldn't be, or wouldn't have to deal…

Am I reading this backwards or should it be, "100% legal to discriminate them in absolutely everything imaginable!"

Sounds to me like applefansareretarded grew up in a well-adjusted home in 'burbs. Maybe they happened to have some Black neighbors of similar affluence. Idk, the BS-o-meter is blinking pretty hard when I skim their posts...

Honestly, though, this isn't a situation that requires much nuance, but I do agree that people will tend to agree with what they already agree with.

Well, a lot of the disagreement I've seen here does result from ignorance and/or hatred. I'm not sure what we need is so much a debate between differing opinions, since an…

Well, more so it's a free-for-all in that there will be some people that have valid points, then a shitload of ignorant people, some of whom are hateful as fuck. I don't really see that having a bearing on who gets to define what's right, though, nor do I see it contributing much in the way of settling what is right.

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