No worries I just put a $100 bill in the mail to Al Gore for your carbon offsets.

They were actually making inroads with the “youth” market, but it feels like they decided to throw that away.

Does it actually look dated or are you saying that just because it has a Cadillac badge? It looks as contemporary as anything else on the road. I also think this looks decent although I agree that there are a lot of better looking cars on the market.

Alanis, I really think the “blah” you talk about is entirely in the mind of the beholder. Cadillac’s cars aren’t just decent, they are really good. Jalopnik, for example, agreed with the rest of the auto media that the ATS was as good as the 3 series. And they look really good (yes, that’s subjective, of course, but…

I guess I should have clarified–among people who were into cars. In my high school, there were only people who didn’t give a shit about cars, and my friends and I, who hated the post-4G63 Eclipse. Based on this and other comments, I think we might have to revisit why people were into this thing.

I don’t think this is that far off base. During our last fuel price crisis when gas shot up from around $2/gal to $5/gal, trucks were getting like 12 MPG, SUVs maybe 15? So your 12 MPG F150 now costs an additional $3k per year if you drove 12k miles. So if you sold that and got an economy car that got 30 MPG, you were…

LATTE SIPPING TROPHY WIVES MALL CRAWLER WILL NEVER GO OFFROAD MORE MONEY THAN BRAIN WILL BE EXPENSIVE TO REPAIR CAN THEY THINK OF THE 3RD OWNER NO MANUAL NO BUY TOO MANY SCREENS ELECTRONIC NANNIES LAZY PEOPLE THIS SHOULD BE A WAGON

I’d like to think it’s because people are actually doing math, but I know that’s not true.

Care to rebut?

What Tesla actually said:

Even if the person next to you doesn’t know your racing, winning’s winning!

That’s on par with a top-end Odyssey, Sienna, or Pacifica (or Explorer, Durango, the list goes on). Still a lot of car for the money. Not my cup of tea, but people like them.

“On September 7, 1998, the 15th episode in the first season, Battle Aboard the St. Anne, became the first ever Pokémon episode to be aired on American TV”

So, basically, non-Tesla carmakers have standards?

“Tesla claims its drive train has “fewer than 20" moving parts.”  Hell, my 2000 Durango often had ZERO moving parts.

It’s ridiculous but it goes both ways. Liberals scream at Trump for doing things they would’ve liked if a Democrat had done it. Conservatives praise Trump for things they would be crying about if it was a Democrat.

Taxing the consumer directly will be California’s easy way out should they lose the legal battle also. They could still set registration fees for example based on fuel or emissions of a car like in Europe - effectively as one of the biggest car markets dictating the standard anyways. So for car manufacturers it makes…

Sometimes it is REALLY hard to meet many standards.

I worked for a company that had a facility in California. CARB can be a nightmare to work with. They had a boiler that had been in operation for decades. They moved the boiler a couple miles and had to met the new CARB standards. They spent about 2 years and a couple million dollars to get the boiler to met the new…

It’s this kind of smug matter-of-fact attitude that got Trump elected in the first place.