Believe it or not, it’s not so far-fetched to have something called pride in what you drive, or what you wear. As a “car guy” I treat my car as an extension of myself, and if I worked hard to afford an expression of my taste and abilities, I’d certainly be salty if it just blended in. It takes away from the allure and…

Honestly having both, your condescending tone of “superior” speaks volumes to your lack of knowledge on the subject. The ST base for base was WAY less (in my area) 22.1k vs 26k. That’s a huge margin to consider. Secondly the ST feels way more connected as a true driver’s car. Not everyone likes to be coddled. It pulls…

Well given it’s handling prowess, all you’ll be seeing are its taillights anyways if you’re a track rat (The Type R’s natural habitat!) but given the fact you’d pick a Golf R over this, i highly doubt that. Plus they look much better in person tbh

On a larger road course, the brake heat problem becomes less of an issue with upgraded fluid, pads and if you want to, air guides (albeit not necessary). The real issue is coolant and oil temps. On autoX or smaller tracks not so much but I was pushing it after a 30 minute session in my FoST on Homestead. An upgraded…

Couldn’t help but see that Tangerine Scream Focus ST either... ftw

^^^ He’s right ya know... yup still terrible

I wouldn’t say that it completely counters the idea of a performance car. I’m sure the article below about how the Mclaren P1 (yes THAT P1) also uses an open diff and brake vectoring would serve your point moot.

Don’t know how you drove your FoST but stock vs. stock, a GTI is not faster. The DCT maybe by a long shot but i have about 30 passes in my stockish Focus ST (air filter and resonator delete) at the track and I have never been beaten by a stock GTI. (my best is 14.2 @ 100.3 mph) but sorry to hear about your bad…

Are either of those offered as hatchbacks new? No? Exactly. Your point is bad and you should feel bad too tbh. Also get off the WRX pedestal. Not everybody wants or needs AWD (or RWD) and there is distinct price difference between the base WRX and a base GTI or FoST even more so the FiST. Ask me how I know? (Base 15'…

There’s a difference between crying for attention and all the “jagged and loud points” actually serving a purpose. Several articles have stated that the Honda engineers deliberately placed all these points on the car for aero effects. This ain’t no fourth gen mustang with its fake hood vents buddy.

So in other words, just a regular shopping cart?

uhhh. You must have missed the part about 500 hp. Either that or you’re not a real Jalop. Plus it seats 6. Unless you’re a member of the Brady bunch, i’m sure you wont miss the 7th seat. Oh did I mention 500 horsepower?!

“Older and simple, a Volvo, American from the 60s? Camry and Maximas?” Literally nothing you listed comes anywhere close to the rarity, combination of driving pleasure/speed that this car brings to the table, on top of that with a 6 speed manual. Literally no one has mentioned these came with an LSD, making them an…

A. GTI is not cheaper by far. No matter where you are on average the Si has historically been cheaper.

$20K brand new? haha Put down the pipe hombre

Not even close. Come up with another $3K and you’ll be golden

Dig, no. Roll, yes. But don’t take it from me and my real life experience.

Rip it in performance?! They’re neck and neck in nearly every single performance category (Stock for stock). The only one i can personally attest to is the 1/4 mile when my bone stock 2015 ST ran 14.2 @ 100.7, but they are very close in the skidpad, braking, lateral G’s and most other things. I’m slightly biased but…

Good thing none of you live in South Florida, where the answer is most certainly a Focus ST if you want something (aka hot hatch)that doesn’t blend in. While they are incredible machines and have nothing but respect for them, the fact that on the block I work there are 4 of them between the four buildings (excluding…

That’s a heavy no, ST pulls more skidpad and stock 1/4 mile times. A ten second google search will quickly reveal that. But yes it does depreciate quite rapidly. It’s a cheaper car to begin with in our defense lol