Agreed, I think they were trying to fake us out about that, a little.

Agreed on really not liking this episode. It feels like the show veers into and out of a deep, deep mean-spirited cringeyness that I just can’t get behind.

Yes, I wondered if the turtleneck thing was a reference to “Turtleneck and Chain”

He does so by taking off his shirt

Criswell predicts: The deal will go through, Rafael will confess, she’ll reneg and plan to keep it, and all will seem lost. Just then, Louisa’s fire is set, and because the insurance still names Rafael, he gets (some of) his money.

Love your observations; this is closer to what I was hoping to see when I got past the annoying pop-up sign-up form which loses your place and read the avclub review.

As Arbiter82 also said regarding:
“The ending definitely implies it, with his reluctance to use Discovery to save her.”

With you there.

Yeah, I thought the Jane personality gag was unusually dull. Totally seen it a million times, totally fake looking outfits, totally lacking in real emotional substance. If they went deeper with it - if the two sides of her weren’t such clowns - it could have surprised us with how emotionally affecting it could be.

Asi…

Agreed: She was just that mad at him that everything he does pisses her off. I love that the show did it on purpose and the narrator called her out as Douche Jane over it.

OK so I’m still very frustrated trying to use the new comment system, including how for no apparent reason avclub shows multiple reviews from multiple shows I don’t care about in one incredibly long page, and sometimes repeats/collapses the comment threads so I’m seeing them over and over... but I press on to say, I…

THANK YOU.

“I think this is actually basically correct, and explains (other then tribal psychology) why political discussions never go anywhere.”

You’re telling me!

I haven’t gotten any further than this episode, so I don’t know if this has already been hinted at more / resolved here in 2017. But for the record, having Mateo make animal noises (while I didn’t really laugh) to troll the dialogue was like baby’s first Latin Lover commentary narration. So, there’s that.

I’m saying it, so I’ll say it, because I’m typing it, so here it goes, and here it is, it’s like this: This was the worst episode of the series up till this point. Its jokes fell flat, its plot twists were predictable, it totally lacked the subtle subversive smarts that make the show work for me, plus the characters…

Someone must have made this point, but

Why do some of these have the old migrated comments, and others no?

I appreciate the xo/ro conflict, but we saw it on Friends, with Monica and Tom. Besides, ...doesn’t Rogelio have two daughters?

It can’t be real. Mutter and she are in cahoots! I don’t buy it for a second.

Also (and yes, this is where I am at in the show now, plus an excuse to test out Kinja), Petra is deeply jealous of Jane, and allergic to friendship. She’s acting out. Remember, she’s the one who saved a few hundred on fish.