i do computer graphics and i don't see a need for this in my day to day work.

@Walfisch: "Wait, so your argument is that, because the past is the past, and since it has already happened, there is no reason that it ever needs to exist as some kind of temporal event? The problem is that, physics kind of demands that there exists a CAUSE for there to be an effect. "

@Keav: thank you.

@Nannirk: yah but evidently nobody who writes sci fi movies has thought of it yet... kinda like nobody in the 80s thought about the ubiquitous presence of cel phones and the internet in the future.

is it optimistic to even think that the past EXISTS?

@seedypete: hehe, totally agree.

@lemmniscate: AHHH... but zephyr and lemnisticate above may have been speaking of non-american leftists....

@lemmniscate: nonononono... several false premises:

@ifandbut: i know right?! i mean it is common sense even in their own narrative - man is fallen and sinful and corrupt and ALL HUMAN INSTITUTIONS are fallen and bend toward corruption and venality and will one day burn.

@lemmniscate: i get what you're saying. but i think that we run into "false equivalence" again. tell me if i'm wrong:

@artum: "oh for the love of god!"

@Mr_Academic: totally agree. i EXPECTED to see the comparison chart.

@8x10: wow... way to argue two mutually exclusive things at the same time.... lol.

@ZephyrMourne: who? i can't recall one who has said that.

there's a tendency by the accused "lamestream" media, in their attempts to be balanced, to regress to false equivalences... that one is just like the other or that neither is right or wrong - it's just different.

@Chrissyb Bernard: well... you get "the Culture" in iaian m. banks books... but that's actually more a Zero Law Of Robotics utopia than a dystopia... despite all the characters in the books that hate it... basically for no good reason.....

@artiofab: "Well, let's get back to your first point, which was:

@artiofab: you are completely right of course about how i'm presenting my case.

@ltwass: lol! thanks, i need that! : )

@numo16: now a thing like THAT can't really be said until we've actually had our way for awhile. can it?