I didn't say either had the high ground. I said one is not worse than the other. So it's facetious to talk about Stannis killing Renly as if Renly was also not trying to kill Stannis

it was one pretender and vain, rash younger brother

Renly was inexperienced and maybe a little full of himself, but he listened to advisors, was good natured and gentle, as proved by his treatment of Brienne, he was also not a fucking idiot like Ned… I really think Renly is the tragic man who should have been King.

I didn't say either had the high ground. I said one is not worse than the other. So it's facetious to talk about Stannis killing Renly as if Renly was also not trying to kill Stannis

Renly- declared war on him.

"It's not like Shireen had declared war on him or was a distant relative- she was proper, true kin of his and his HEIR."

Yeah, no, that's not what I was saying

So, again, please illustrate where he's "done that before?"

Sansa was very clear that she did not, under any circumstances, want to marry into the Boltons

"Join or die" is still a threat to kill him if he doesn't. Stannis is not under any obligation to join him; you can just as easily say Renly should have joined Stannis.

Why does everybody want Lady Stoneheart to happen so badly? I just don't get it. I thought it was a lame twist in the book, and it doesn't seem critical to the plot so far.

I guess the book doesn't actually say he is dead, but one can assume as much, what with all the stabbing.

I read the part that said they were in danger of alienating their mass audience.

with the backing of the Vale knights and the presence of a real Stark, the North is as good as won

"Some more or less tolerable lord" would never, under any circumstances, be the people who murdered her mother and brother.

(1) Said brother was also trying to kill him.
(2) … fits in with his Javert-esque rigidity toward the law.

What followed may have been a spoiler I'm taking it down regardless. Sorry if you read it.

I have a son and a stepdaughter. I totally get what you're saying. :-)

She kills Shireen to resurrect Jon because in the book she clearly knows that Jon is the Chosen One and not Stannis.

Maybe they'll just have Jon be critically injured in the final episode of the season, not killed.