Also I find it very interesting how you’d give practical advice to someone you care for, but then play this righteous game when it comes to strangers. And I’m the asshole.

I agree - other than the rust issue, it’s fantastic. It literally has never moved, and I’ve got mine loaded, too.

I agree - other than the rust issue, it’s fantastic. It literally has never moved, and I’ve got mine loaded, too.

Nope. Not victim blaming. I’m sorry(?) that I’m not this demon you want me to be. I don’t understand your fetish for arguing with victim-blamers.

After all that yelling, you can’t even do the honorable thing and answer my question? I realize (as you surely do) that it’d mean admitting that you are a hypocrite, but after repeatedly calling me names, that’s the least you could do. You’re awful.

I’m not shaming or blaming anyone. You may want me to be that person because you have a moral high ground fetish, but that is not the case. We both agree that no victims should be blamed or shamed or should guilt in any way be shifted away from those who did them harm.

Here is what a consequence is defined as: a result or effect of an action or condition

Your reason and logic is not welcome around these parts.

FWIW I have the larger version of this and it has started to rust. I’m generally a big fan of simplehuman’s stuff, but was disappointed with this particular product.

FWIW I have the larger version of this and it has started to rust. I’m generally a big fan of simplehuman’s stuff,…

I appreciate the thoughtful and calm reply. A lot of people here immediately jump to anger, so I want to sincerely thank you for having a civil discussion with me about this.

Thank you.

I don’t view this from any “movement” angle. I view this from my own perspective, as a pragmatist. This is the viewpoint I’d share with someone I cared for. Surely you would advise your daughter of the risks associated with taking nude selfies, right? That they could be shared or stolen. That’s very different than…

No?

I didn’t say anyone “should” do anything. I said that there are things one can proactively do to prevent some bad things from happening from them. If someone should do something, that means they are obligated to do it, which I have repeatedly stated that they are not. I even put it in bold, look:

That statement says far more about you than it does about me.

I really don’t understand. Why bother informing your daughter of the “consequences” if to act on that knowledge would be to shift the blame of those “consequences” onto her?

Whoa whoa whoa “consequences”? Are you blaming her now? That sounds a lot like victim blaming. Why should she consider what might happen? Why should her life be impeded by what these pervs might do?

I’m “making it sound like...” - but I’m not. I’ve repeatedly said that I’m not. That’s all I can do.

What I’m saying is not a requirement. It is not an issue of negligence. I’m absolutely not suggesting that anyone is required to protect themselves from criminals.

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