If I'm not mistaken, isn't this the very story where Joker explicitly says if he has to have a history, he prefers it to be multiple choice? I always took it rather clearly that the story was made up as he went along.

The thing that always got me reading The Killing Joke, with the way Joker's mind seems to work, was that yeah, he assaulted Barbara in the sense of stripping her for the photos of her shot and bleeding out, but I've never felt it was further than that. Primarily because IF Gordon had snapped, if it had broken and…