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    Yes. This is japonik. It’s always the cops fault. Had the police given him a hug and then he rode into traffic and died - also cops fault (on jalopnik). Had the police been across town solving a murder case? Yep all the cops fault.

    What kind of brain dead idiots think that recognizing the fault being with the rider who made all of the choices causing his own death translates to pro-dead kid? 

    It’s as if a 13 year isn’t ready to be riding a dirt bike in the city. Who knew? Maybe it should be illegal until he's older. 

    The kid did not deserve death.

    The everest should be the bronco sport. It’s a direct competitor with the Toyota 4Runner. Ford doesn’t currently offer something in that category. Nor does Jeep. The bronco and Wrangler are really a different segment to most buyers - convertible and heavily off road oriented. The 4Runner is skewed towards the street

    It depends on speed. Below 20mph the iihs study showed no difference between the two. Between 20-40mph it was uncertain - not enough data for confidence in the result, and above 40mph SUVs are significantly more deadly to pedestrians. SUVs killed 100% of pedestrians they hit over 40mph. Cars killed about 2/3. 

    People should drive carefully in all kinds of vehicles. Whether it’s a bicycle or a semi or anything in between.

    Yes. The data is sorted by model years in sets of 3 years. So the current data is 2017-2020 model years for every vehicle in the most recent study. But the data is available for each 3 year period going back. So you can compare a 2005 series to a new one if you want to go back through the data. It's freely available.

    It’s physics. No ethics needed. A better overall design for safety. SUVs are also safer against other SUVs. And SUV vs SUV is safer than car vs car. 

    SUVs are safer because the most common injury causing accidents are rear ending first, head on second. SUVs are much better in both scenarios. JLR vehicles are probably most likely to have deaths from old age given the demographic of owners. In a crash between the two cars you mentioned, the discovery sport will

    Sometimes life throws curve balls you just can’t hit.

    It’s okay to admit you can’t accept reality for how it is.

    The statistics show real world results. I live in the real world. So I tend to rely on data from actual events, not hypotheticals.

    Sure. Pedestrians and motor vehicles don’t mix. That’s nothing new. The most common types of injury and death causing crashes are rear end and head on crashes. But auto-peds are a meaningful percentage.

    The answer is that people die less in the SUV version of almost every model. You can compare yourself. It’s a complex system. But SUVs are still safer empirically. For BMW since you chose it - the 3 series has 8.5 times as many fatalities per car per year as the X3. The x5 is lower than the x5, but there’s too few 5

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ocregister.com/2017/11/13/new-corvette-lifts-up-suv-in-reckless-driving-crash-huntington-beach-police-say/amp/

    Everyone outside of the jalopnik bubble knows this. It’s obvious that SUVs are safer. But don't say it to loud here. It's like proposing the earth is round at a flat earth club meeting. 

    The model x is a minivan though. 

    Probably true. Depends on SUV and car of course. Model s is heavier than most SUVs. Not as safe as some. But it’s big and heavy. But in general SUVs being heavier are going to have more inertia and lower the acceleration rate for occupants. That’s true even in many single car crashes. Very few things along highways

    Found it. 2005 Blazer averaged 308 deaths per million vehicles on the road. Ford explorer was 137, and 4runner had 12. That’s incredible how different they were in that era and how terrible those SUVs were. Today the worst vehicles are small cars and they’re in the 70 range.