Then as a butch lesbian, if this is what feminism is I turn in my badge and gun. Shaming choices and blaming male gaze and questioning peoples relationship to beauty standards (read het beauty standards) always leads to marginalization of lgbt people. Always.

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Fun fact: In culinary school, we were asked as a class which imported product brought with it the greatest number of E Coli bacteria. The answer according to my professor/chef?

My point is thus: it is a derogatory term for women. Period. I do not give two flying shots about the justification cis men have for the continued use of a fucking slur they made up for women. Do. Not. Care. There is no justification and yes, I'm pissed. This should not even be up for discussion in the first place…

This comment sums it all up for me. Those of us in the community know there is a problem. Justification does not solve it. Some members of the lgbt community are consistently disrespectful of others and at the end of the day, that's what it boils down to for me too.

Fair enough. Next time maybe say that directly in the comment. It very much sounded like another of the 'splainy, "you don't understand, I've 'studied drag queens' and its totally benign" kind of comment. I did assume you were being contrary. My bad, I'm sorry.

I don't think I am even capable. :)

Just stop it. You're wrong and it's offensive to women and trans people that you are digging in so hard to defend the use of a word which is used 99% of the time as a slur.

Drag queens are gay men, ffs. This comment is fucked up. I mean really are you telling ym my 20 years life experience are full of shit because you read a lot of books and travelled a lot? Sure you spent a lot of time with drag queen. Did you soend any time with drag kings? Did you even know women did stuff? Did you…

I did not know cis men said this too. It is ubiquitous in the gay community. Clearly RuPaul doesn't even realize or care that it's offensive, it's so damned common. But yeah, this is a derogatory term for women and anyone trying to argue otherwise is full of it.

Yes, exactly. Did you even read my comment? Why do you think 'fishy' is the term used to describe very good drag?? Because fish = women. Wow.

So basically fish means one thing: woman. Fish means gay women too, be real. Fish just means woman. Woman, vagina - regardles it's a term gay man invented and use as a derogatory term for women. Do they use it 'playfully' and to compliment each other, yes, that too, but lets not pretend it doesn't just mean women and…

You think I don't have all those problems in the big city? Seriously? I just wrote about it like, an hour ago.

Where are you getting your info from? Because for the past 20 years in my big city queer community, gay men have used the term fish interchangeably with woman as a rule and usually in a derogatory sentence. Example:

Yuuuuuup!

Honestly, I read many things about this particular episode, but as a lesbian I have more problems with the entire concept of the show(which are way to much to explain here), so I haven't watched it. You are so right though, gay men discussing fish? That is soooo code for vagina. I mean, please. Every queer knows gay…

This is probably because you have no idea how much cis gay men make fun of lesbians and trans people (butch lesbian here). They have very little respect, in general. Making fun of Chyna? Its the same as making fun of women who do not perform femininity. The exact same jokes would be made about butch lesbians. No, you…

"OMG They are just dudes. Just dudes being dudely! Why do you people have make everything gay? Fuck, stop reading gay into everything."

It more than the words even. Its the whole segment using transphobic language and bringing cis women into it. Making fun of Chyna? Not fucking cool. Even if I gave some credence to gay cis men 'reclaiming' the word in question(I don't for the record), how does that excuse explain making fun of cis women who don't…

I was reading and going yep, yep, okay. Where is the - ah yes, the foie gras. There it is. *Now* its fancy!