She didn’t tweet anything skeptical of the efficacy of vaccines or the value of vaccination. She has repeatedly explicitly said vaccines save lives and that she wants US vaccination rates to be higher.

Can you cite when, specifically, the party was “vaccine-skeptical”? Like, what’s your source on this? Similarly, where’s the interview where Stein said “that there are legitimate concerns about how companies make vaccine”?

It doesn’t fail on that assumption because it’s not an assumption. It doesn’t matter if people disagree because it’s not a matter of opinion, it’s a matter of fact. A fetus is not a person. Anyone that thinks a fetus is a person is wrong.

No, that’s not the basis of my argument at all. It’s my dismissal of the utterly nonsense counter-argument you presented.

Are you familiar with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? Access to healthcare is a basic human right.

Nowadays, making young Democrats cry has been outsourced to the delegates.

The lives of the victims of wars fought in foreign lands are much less important than optics at home, you see.

He didn’t win the popular vote in Florida according to what was actually counted. If he really wanted to win, he should have, you know, asked them to count all the votes.

I’m not and never have been.

The phrase “their body” includes a possessive.

The phrase “their own bodies” includes two possessives.

Oh, you’re one of those “actually, I’m a classical pickler” types.

Do you now see why the distinction between these two metaphorical preparations of cucumber are important?

No, the idea that bodily autonomy stems from the property rights idea “that what people do with their own bodies is none of my damn business”.

That many people who use lines like the one I originally responded to do make the distinction, even if you don’t, is the whole point.

Libertarians frequently recite the exact same logic to me as you have. It doesn’t matter where they or you are getting the ideas if it’s the same idea in the end.

It is when put in terms of “my own body” rather than in terms of reproductive rights or healthcare, yes.

The libertarian version of property rights is ultimately largely based on the notion that “what people do with their own bodies is none of my damn business”. This is not a belief that one must hold to be a liberal. And if you’re still going to argue it is, then it disqualifies most people who think of themselves that…

It’s less that it’s objectionable by itself and more that the way it is used is objectionable. Literally the most frequent way in which that kind of language it gets directed at me is to justify the full legalization and deregulation of the sale of heroin. I’m not even kidding. Granted, it’s because I’m pushing…

Oh, you’re one of those “actually, I’m a classical liberal” types. Do you understand that classical liberalism, like On Liberty, gets evoked by modern-day conservatives and libertarians? Classical liberalism’s take on liberty is where libertarianism gets its “what people do with their own bodies is none of my damn…