You’re proving my point.

We used too, and times are changing. They are slowly making a comeback.

I have another kid in that seat already. I was just joking and people took it a little too serious. Regardless, I’ve never been a big fan of wagons, but something about this one just grabs me. Especially the Euro spec one.

I absolutely love it. It’s very underrated, you get a lot of car for the money. Good luck finding a manual. I tried for 6 months and gave up and bought an automatic, I was tired of pumping money into my old.car to keep it going. Anyway, it’s a great car, not the most powerful but dang good gas milaeage at the same…

Not possible when there’s another child seat there for my other kid. I think everyone is also taking my comment a little too seriously....

What I really want is the Wagon GS, but it’s not looking like we’re getting that in the US, unless maybe they bring it out in future model years.

You’ve never tried reasoning with a toddler, have you?

As a current 2015 Buick Regal GS owner, would I be happy trading it in on this new wagon? It has the same engine, rated at almost the same power figures, the space the wagon has though is really appealing to me.

Do you really think GM is charging $20 for a wifi hotspot in your car? If yours fails and needs replaced, i bet it costs a small fortune. I get what you’re saying, but we all know what you get 3rd party is going to be much cheaper than when you’re dealing with actual OEM car parts.

You’re right, but you do realize that even the simplest things cost 1000x as much when its in a car, and a factory option. There’s a reason why there is an aftermarket for this stuff. Also, that Onstar equipment isn’t free.... it might not be an added accessory, but the price it built into the price of your car. Take…

Right, so long as you’re not buying based on monthly price alone and factor in that ~$3,000 in interest. In the case above, he got $13,000 off the price, but paid $3,000 in interest. He still saved $10,000..... which is pretty darn good. You have to account for all the factors when you you look at the price.

Exactly. Like GM putting WIFI standard in all new cars.... who’s buying data for those things? really come on...... Yet I bet just to have it in the car its adding $2,000 to the purchase price. That’s the kind of stuff that needs to go, or at least become optional. The other thing that makes it tricky is that dealers…

I think they’ve offered such good financing deals for so long now that most buyers are conditioned to expect that its going to be available when they go to buy their next car too. I can there being a lot of people out there that when they see they can no longer afford to buy a new car that has all the bells and…

I’m also surprised that AWD isn’t really common in what minivans are left out there. My wife wants a minivan to replace our Durango in another year or 2, but the options are very limited if not non-existent for one that will fill out needs. Hopefully..... that will finally sway her to let me get a nice little old well…

the 2018 Honda Odyessey is 3000lbs. My utility trailer is 1200lbs empty. Put a tractor, load of mulch, lumber, etc on it and i’m at the max before i put anyone in the van..... So yes, its a very valid argument.

Try towing a trailer or boat with a mini-van. These large SUVs are useful as well, they just have different uses.

This is a small van, and my tractor isn’t fitting inside of any van ever made unless it’s a box van.

If they feel the need to install these devices, then they shouldn’t be giving these people loans to buy the car and they know it. They have a 35% repo rate for christ sake, they are just out to screw everyone they can plain and simple. Go to a reputable dealer an this won’t be a problem, but these people unfortunately…

Precisely!

The whole situation is what makes me mad. The fact they feel the need to install hardware and software that enables them to remotely disable the vehicle can’t possible be legal (which is why they are being investigated) and frankly this should make every one mad.