ended up retiring from the company 10 years later.

Not great on desktop, either; they’ve pulled some shit where the links randomly flash black-and-white, which just makes the whole fucking thing illegible. It only happens half the time, but it’s not a great feeling loading a page and guessing, “Hey, am I about to have a seizure loading this Torch article? Only one way…

Agree. This site is an awful experience on mobile.

Can I just point out that in the whole NPOCP/GBOGB/NPOND debacle, we have replicated the errors of the mask/no mask debate from early in the coronavirus response?

Damn. I really wanted to vote NP, because I do love this car. The design is goofy, but I’ve always loved how cartoonish it looks. The way the belt line swoops up by the rear tires, it looks like it’s getting ready to go, like a cartoon character winding up before he goes off on a high-speed run. I dunno. I’ve just…

$20k isn’t just S2000 territory - that’s nice S2000 territory. I effectively got mine for about $8k from an uninformed owner who didn’t know how to deal with its problems. You could find a low-mileage S2K in a less desirable color combo for less than the cost of this Miata.

For $20,000, you’re creeping into S2000 territory. I respect the fact that it’s low mileage, but it’s still... just a Mazdaspeed Miata.

The MSM is the worst Miata made.

$20k for a fucking Miata? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

I feel like most of the advantages that Jeep cites only matter to the 5% or so of buyers who are going to take their Jeep for some serious off-roading. The other 95% of buyers just want the feel of an open-top off-roader while driving to the beach, bike trail, office job, etc. I believe the biggest advantage to get…

Yeah, were I a buyer, your brand’s “heritage” means sweet fuck all to me, at best. At worst, I’m going to look at Mopar’s “heritage” of horrible build quality.

A Jeep sales person:
“This new Bronco may look interesting to you, but the Wrangler have a V8. Someday. I promise”

When Jeep’s first “Advantage” is heritage, my response is,

Yeah that was funny.

“Bronco has nothing like 4xe”

Neither to do, technically.

Cool, but what advantages does this Wrangler have over, say, a train? Which I could also afford.

You know they are desperate when they are citing yet to be released models as advantages.

I like how the ad copy references the Jeep community and then elsewhere on this site people are talking about how the Jeep community is up there with the Tesla and Harley communities as the most difficult to deal with communities.

With Cadillacs as long as they were back then, you’d think Garages would be bigger. 

Equally tragic

Soooo . . . a 2WD $88-thousand-freakin’-dollars truck in Minnesota, that can only be driven during the summer on dry, straight roads . . . what the hell do you do with something like this? Well, other than compensate for your teeny weenie?