counterpoint: its going to be the Gladiator, take 2. 

The Bronco is at Supra-level of anticipation for the everyman

I don’t “fear death” I just have too much to do, so all this “growing up” crap is for the dogs. Plus, people seem to think having kids is an excuse to turn their car into an episode of the hoarders. Get yourself an umbrella stroller, anything more is just you taking a grocery cart with you, in order for you to have a…

Let’s assume Torch isn’t off his meds again.

People forced the government to regulate the hell out of the auto industry in terms of safety. All that safety add weight, engineering cost, manufacturing costs, material costs, etc.

Was Hummer anti-earth in practice or just in social stigma? Honestly, a H2 is like the same size or smaller than the often praised current LandCruiser. If you want big and gaudy, look at the brand new Nissan Armada. Fuck, that is anti-earth much more than any H2 could even hope for.

Bro would you fucking chill. Technology isn’t going to meet everyone’s needs overnight. It works in baby steps, little bit at a time. By the time Hummer is on Gen2 or 3, it’ll likely be just as easy if not easier to own than a current day ICE truck.

Tesla has quoted prices with credits until very recently.  It was on their pricing on the website.  What are you talking about?

No one is positioning EVs as tow vehicles yet. You’re setting expectations that no one realistically has today.

No one’s gonna say how ugly this is?  Ok.

And how many of you have full size trucks?

They are building what people want, not need. Thats why crossovers, full sized trucks, and SUVs sell so well.

I continue to be bewildered how 0-60 times are a compelling measure of merit for a truck.

I think it is more likely to cannibalize the Model X

“And you lose 80% of that range if there’s a mild cool breeze”

And the batteries will be dead in six months, forcing you to have to replace them at a cost of $1,693,508,294,275,783.03.  LOL

And my road trips are 950 miles and I stop only for gas and don’t let anyone pee. 310 miles range is shit

“Yeah but my commute is 316 miles”

Yeah, but just wait, cuz by the time the Model Y gets released all of the REAL auto manufacturers will have entered the EV game and.....wait, what’s that now? Most of the big manufacturers have already released their first EVs, and they’re all tremendously lacking in range and/or features compared to Tesla?

You’ve just described every crossover on the planet.