Why do you say they weren't intentionally malicious? It seems like a huge leap to me to make that assumption that there was no bigotry involved and that he just happened to accidentally use the exact same terms that all the transphobic folks use. Also, from what I've seen, even allowing that there are three parties, a…

Did you mean to reply to me? No one is arguing against edgy humor or jokes about sensitive topics. Even allowing that that's a part of comedy or whatever, there is a line where comedians can still be held accountable when they are being pointlessly offensive. This is along the same lines as what Michael Richards did,…

*making the deliberate choice

If we were talking about inflammatory speech that can legally be punished in the United States, I would agree with you that BrandenbUrg v Ohio (spelling is hard!) is a better source than dictionary.com. Since the definition of hate speech is actually not inflammatory speech that can legally be punished in the US, I'd…

Ok, I believe in dialogue, but you can't engage in dialogue with someone if they are refusing to acknowledge your existence, which is exactly what dehumanization is. You can't have a discussion when one side doesn't see the other side as people, but things. It's not possible. Already, that side, by the very nature of…

What you have stated as my opinion is not accurate. It is fact that a cis woman is less likely to get murdered than a trans woman, but they are both examples of hate speech, and neither are acceptable.

Sorry, unless you're a psychopath there is no valid counterpoint to "Let's not dehumanize people."

Ah, yes, the intolerable burden of being a white educated male in today's society. No one faces such discrimination as you. You were right to hijack this discussion and make it all about you.

You are trolling. Dismissing trans gender as fantasy/role play is inaccurate, hateful, and offensive. Grow up.

Funny, I don't see anyone laughing.

You don't actually need to know someone's gender to interact with them. Look at us: we don't know each other's gender. We can guess, but we have no way of really knowing, yet we are interacting just fine.

It's not complicated. If you don't know someone's gender and are unsure how to proceed, here is what you should do: just treat them like a fucking human being.

This is a feeble attempt on your part to justify hate speech. Saying that he was prolly just trying to laugh at himself and she just happened to be unintentionally humiliated in the process is intellectually dishonest.

It doesn't support absolute gender roles, no. There is no problem with someone adopting gendered expression AS A CHOICE. The problem is when it is externally forced on someone who doesn't want it, or considered to be a biological fact rather than a social construct.

"First, I don't think you know what "hate speech" is. Or "victimization" for that matter."

What?? You're saying that if you are part of a marginalized group and you go on stage with a comedian, you should expect public humiliation, bigoted slurs, and hate speech? Is that really your argument? "If she didn't want to be victimized for existing while trans, she shouldn't have engaged a comedian ever in her…

There is a difference between making a marginalized person or group the butt of the joke or making joke about the institution or oppression. The first is old, hacky, lazy, and kicking people who are already disenfranchised. It's gross. Making jokes about sensitive issues where prejudice or inequality is examined as…

What? None of this stuff is relevant to the discussion at hand. We are talking about an instance of a comedian dehumanizing a trans woman who is not part of his act. Why in fuck am I going to come into the comments section and talk about how horrible it is to make fun of other races, people's weight, or intellectual…

It's SHE. She is the accurate pronoun.

It's not harmless joking when you consider the fact that 1 in 12 transgender people will be murdered as the result of exactly this kind of hate and dehumanization. Or that the level of discrimination and harassment trans people face is so high that nearly half of them have attempted suicide. And that there is a long…