That was the first thing I downloaded! I'm planning on watching it before I go to bed, which is probably a bad idea.

The Mama thing jumps out at me, too, and I love it. Mendelsohn is a force of fucking nature in this. I'm embarrassed to say that I've never seen him in a single thing before, but now I want to see *everything.*

I don't know—I feel like it's somehow more effective to have some of the terrible things about him be true. That's the whole thing that's keeping this show on my mind—he's sinking so low and somehow still keeping me on his side. It's making me wonder if this means I would be vulnerable to this sort of manipulation in…

Yeah, I can understand that completely. Without being too much of a creepy oversharer, I think the whole idea about childhood trauma that's never addressed and just hardens into a really destructive anger (unless it becomes something else entirely in the later episodes) rings true to me.

Oh, that's probably not the right word for it, really. I've just begun to find her increasing unpleasant and off-putting. I'm not being fair to her, and that's my whole problem—I am so firmly in Danny's corner that anyone who comes into conflict with him seems almost like a villain to me by default. Which is…

Watching Danny get darker and darker is really depressing me. I seem to be really invested in the idea that he's a much better guy than he obviously is.

The same thing happened to me when I started Penny Dreadful. Victor was obviously the (naturally) really creepy guy in a Ruth Rendell adaptation I recently saw….which led to the creepy twin discovery. It was unsettling.

This show has really snuck up on me. I was so ambivalent after the first episode that I wasn't sure if I would stick with it, and now I find myself getting really antsy waiting for a new episode. I get more obsessed every week, even though I'm still not sure what I'm watching.

I saw both of those tours (I think they were different tours). I remember Michael Hutchence driving 14-year-old me into such a crazy hormonal frenzy that I actually cried when it occurred to me that the two of us would always have in common that we were in the same building on the same night.

Me, too! I was a junior in high school when it came out, and I must have seen it five times in the theater. I'm embarrassed that I took it completely seriously and really considered it A Great Film. I still really, really enjoy it as a entertainingly corny goof now.

Oh, god, absolutely—I hope I didn't sound like the more recent victims had it easier at all. I just meant that there ARE more recent victims, and the talking point from his lawyers about the allegations all being 40 and 50 years in the past is just bullshit spin.

I'm getting a little tired of seeing comments about how this was all 30 or 40 years ago—there are allegations from 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, and 2008.

I can't think of a more sinister-sounding way to end his statement.

Yeah, I think Rendell's the obvious heir. I really, really love her as well, but man…her books are creepy. I've never seen a mystery writer (although so many of her books are just barely mysteries) who can get inside the head of a psychopath so convincingly.

Absolutely. I actually started reading James right after barreling through all of Christie in college, and it was the sadness and loss that hung over her mysteries that really struck me in contrast. She spent so much time creating these complicated, often unpleasant, characters that each crime felt like a real…

Such sad news. I am such a huge fan, and I would often push her work (and Ruth Rendell's) on friends who wouldn't have ordinarily picked up "genre fiction." Devices and Desires is one of my favorite books in the world. I so wish she'd been able to finish that last novel…

That's okay, my first thought was that in my fantasy episode he'd bring back the giggly strip club bouncer.

You had me at "Michael Shannon fucking."

I was just scanning the thread to see if anyone had mentioned this. The Joel version just puts a giant smile on my face.

This is the music that you hear as you watch the credits….