Yep. 15 years ago Honda made a 2800 pound sports car with 240hp. Today we should be able to do just a bit better.

There's a lot of weight in 18 way adjustable seats for starters. Weight affects how they drive. There's very little demand for a simple dedicated sports car. Consumers expect their Porsche or Corvette to be luxurious.

You look at an earlier water cooler Porsche and the cockpit is dead simple. Good quality but not luxury with leather and fancy switch gear everywhere. Just a purpose built machine. How good would a simple 2400 pound Box or Cayman be?

Tom, you work with buyers everyday but don’t you think that a lot of people automatically equate more powerful with better. 300 horse is tame in today’s market. Many of the luxury sedans are going to be 400 if they aren’t already.

I do not think and I didn’t say that the muscle cars are just about straight line performance. Personally I’m not about the lap times. I happen to like a smaller, light weight, balanced car like Cayman or Boxster or for that matter BRZ, Miata and S2000. They feel better for me. I don’t like big or heavy cars like the…

I try not to get hung up on cylinder counts or specific engine noises. I generally like NA motors but I like lightness even more. I wonder how less the flat fours will weigh.

Well, pure straight line acceleration, no they won’t be bargains but for a lot of us 300hp is enough. Combine that with light weight and mid engine configuration and it's something potentially special at $32k in 2022.

3657 lbs. for real? Is that with fluids and everything? If so a serious achievement. Good to see that cars are going on a diet.

Man, the bar is set low for Buick design. They knock off a 13 year old design from Aston Martin and that counts as innovation. Sad.

Just using your criteria criteria. You said speed with automation is more important than skill or fun.

And in the not distant future the computers will not only shift but steer, brake and everything else faster. Will faster be better then too?

For a lot of rich people (including women) its Porsche Turbo or AMG or whatever is the given brand’s top spec because that’s the “best” one.

Ok but here’s the interesting thing about the enthusiast market in the US and Europe. American enthusiasts are much more prone to buy stick than their European counterparts. The take rate on manual Corvettes is something like 40%.

Its basically the Hoth Rebel Base Camp

Nope

Any Jalops got connections to black market organ dealers?

3.0, 2002, E30 virtually sports cars. F30 big fat saloon.

E23 7 series 191 inches

Here’s an Elise for sale. Same color?

They claimed the Elise suspension and weight distribution was so good it didn't need one. I've never heard anyone complain about Lotus handling.