I retract my original statement after seeing the towing and payload specs are competitive for the class. I had the numbers for the JLU in my head and did not realize they would increase them so much for the truck version.

To Everyone saying this has been done before- No it hasn’t. This is a 4 door convertible truck. Until now Jeeps could not do two things. Tow and Haul small loads. This literally does both while still being a Wrangler. IF this comes in close to Wrangler pricing with a sport JKU(Truck) starting near 30k, with the…

That rear is a special kind of retro-ugly that I actually really like.

“That’s not the perfect vehicle for me, so it’ll never sell.”

Stop thinking “hauling construction material” or “rock crawling” and start thinking “going camping” or “outdoor sports”. While most camping/sporting equipment will fit in the back or ontop of the current Wrangler, many of us would rather throw it in a truck bed.

Rest of world: ah a new truck

To be fair, the firewood gathering and hay hauling types have a very wide selection of 4x4 trucks of multiple sizes to choose from.

Jeeps are ugly, news at 11

Service animals and emotional support animals are not the same.

Agreed. Despite being a “millenial” I’ve always liked the look of a Harley. However, I can’t justify spending Harley coin when a Yamaha that looks similar runs 3k on the used market.

Seriously. For $20,000 I could have two excellent Japanese bikes, or a nearly new F150, or breast implants (followed by reductions to maintain my manly physique). If in one breath you’re asking the question, why won’t millenials etc and the next breath stating the bike is 20 grand and all about The Brand, it’s high…

The price is the big thing to me. They’re priced higher than Ducati. Up there with Aprilia or the really high end BMW’s. Sorry, I’m not going to spend $26,000 (you forgot the custom orange paint with flames that really ups the sale price) for a bike like that. If I had to buy new today, I could buy a top of the line…

This death spiral is a long time coming though. HD has focused on its core brand and image to the detriment of future survival. I ride a Buell, so I have to venture into HD dealers for parts. I also grew up with a father who had a Fat Boy as well as his S2 Thunderbolt and spent many weekends at HOG meetings.

To be fair, it is actually racist in every single context - as much as people want to try and pretend it’s not.

The cramped interior and bad seating position is just a silverado thing

Why would you replace a two year old V6 accord?

No. The original V-Max.

I’m glad someone else remembers the old V-Max. What a machine!

I’d like to breed a Tesla Model S with a ‘68 Mustang. Classic ponycar looks and character, but fast, electric and with four doors.

Are you forgetting the Element of surprise?