1 -Cargo volume: Sedona is 142 all in, 33.9 in the back. Telluride is 87 ft all in, 21 in the back (according to a google search). That makes a huge difference for us in our van (we notice the space versus our prior Pilot).

Of course it’s derivative, it’s from Kia/Hyundai.  That said, it’s refreshing to see someone embrace the natural boxiness of a proper SUV and tailor the styling around the functionality.  Well done Kia.

They’d have my attention, at the least.

I’m sure it depends where you live. Two of the Kia dealers by me are new and very nice. In fact, they are vastly better than my nearby Honda, Infinity and ::shudder:: Ford dealers. YMMV though!

What if they offered it with their 420HP 5.0L V8 from the Kia K9?

I love my ‘99 R/T! I still daily mine at 280k+ miles and it’s a hell of a lot of fun on the Tail of the Dragon (I’m local) with coilovers, poly bushings, and NT01s. Just got through converting the rack to manual and pulling the A/C so it’ll get demoted to weekend duty in the next year or two, but that’ll just be a…

I learned to drive stick in one of those. God, what a fun little car. I mean, it did not age well after having two teenagers learn to drive in it, and then having one take it to college, but what a hoot it was to drive. That’s the car that made me enjoy driving.

The difference between the ACR and the other Neon models were not quite as vast as legend has it. I used to own a 98 Plymouth Neon ACR, and yes, it came from the factory with Konis stock (adjustable rebound). Beyond that, the only other factory mods were of the Colin Chapman variety - No rear window defrost, manual…

Let’s not forget:

Could this shitheel possibly believe that the police, military, and bikers are three groups that DON’t play it tough? They almost exclusively traffic in intimidation.

This illegitimate motherfucker just physically threatened the majority of Americans that disapprove of him.

That just proves the point.

Got a stock 20o9 Xterra I’ll sell you for about that. 

I disagree on both fronts. The main reason people buy Lexus and Toyota is the bulletproof reliability. The main reason people buy Tesla’s is because of the torque of an electric vehicle, future-proof technology and its a status symbol. The main reason people buy BMW, MB, Audi is luxury car and status symbol.

I bought a Hyundai once, and shopped around. Like every other humans experience... it depends on where you go. I met some shitty dealers, and I met a couple astoundingly awesome dealers.

In the scheme of bad deals, getting hosed for $650 on a new Hyundai isn’t the worst thing in the world, but it still doesn’t make a buyer feel good about their purchase. But there are a few tips we can learn from this: First, never sign a sales contract until you have checked the math yourself.

*sound of Sergio Marchionne laughing*

I’d keep it though. I bet you still get another 25k out of that thing without too many headaches. And at that point it’s basically paid off.

Not every decision in life is rational but I bet you could have a lot more fun rolling that cash into a vacation or something else. 

Wheres the button to upvote you x10 ?

The real story is wages have been flat for well over a decade. Housing, healthcare, transportation, education have all gone up faster than inflation in the past 10-20 years, but minimum wage has been $7.25 for a decade. Even with record-low unemployment, employers loathe to raise wages. They’d rather leave work on the…

Strange, I've taken a few Hyundai's to well over 100,000 miles without issues.