I guess they bask in the reflected glow of the air cooled VW buses, but yeah, to me a high mileage, 20 year old minivan.  

I didn't know that but makes perfect sense.  We had one growing up.

I don’t think these are bad looking cars, nothing to get excited about but clean lines and one of that cladding Pontiac went kind of nuts with before they died.

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Pretty obviously used as a track car, the owner had extra fun, but the fun tax is that a track car is not worth as much on the market as a stock, more gently driven example. Looks to be great for its intended purpose, but priced too high.  No Dice.

There is a silver one local to me on Facebook for over 20k, 25000 miles.

I think in most cars a six speed manual is a waste. The first four gears are enough to get you up to legal highways speeds or a little more, 5th is a tall cruising gear, 6th is a taller cruising gear. Maybe helpful if you do track days, but for street use just make fifth taller.

I thought I might be a little harsh with my assessment that this car might be a nice buy at $8-9000, but looks like most of you put it even lower.

No

I could like this at $3000 if the water and oil leaks were drips and not gushers.  But $4500, no dice.  

These things are supposed to get new timing belts or something at 20 or maybe 30 thousand miles, anyway, what would be oil change and check the brakes and belts time honyota is engine out $20,000 plus service on the Ferrari.  An old friend had a little sports car shop that serviced the few high end cars in our little…

This car is somewhere in the margins, but the guys that buy super exotics don’t drive them because they are mostly focused on making money and getting the next new shiny fast thing, whereas I would want to play with my new toy if I were to acquire something like that.

If that were true you wouldn’t have to pay $60k for this, sure the Camry wins on space efficiency, mpg, reliability, mpg, acceleration. But if those were the parameters that sold cars we would all be driving gray minivans.

We all age, and are generally thankful that we can do it for a while rather than the only alternative.  Not the same as ethnicity or race.  Try to get a little less sensitive.  I am on the cusp of being an old guy, and I drive a Lexus (a sporty IS300, thank you very much) and I am not offended.

I have said for a long time that you can talk about range all you want, but most buyers want the most car they can get for the money.  Get EVs to compete with ICE head to head on price, and adoption will ramp up.  Though there will also be a pretty large group of naysayers for long time that won't ever buy one.

My first reaction to modern bike design with the seat and fender sticking out way above the rear tire is that they look like bugs.

I suspect the vehicles were bought because “everyone else” had them and maybe a little bit of the dreaded “you got something nice and new so I do too” marriage dynamic.

Diesels may be known for their longevity but there is still a lot of complicated BMW around it. So I will make my usual comment that spending significant cash for a depreciating asset with a high cost of ownership isn’t a good play.

The V-8 Triumph made for the Stag, they had cooling problems, head warping problems (studs were at different angles) build quality problems. Triumph was also part of British Leyland, which had been using the aluminum GM 215 they built under license for year. Poor decision, poor design, massive failure.

Sorry, I am an old, I would not buy a car without a rear window, and the last time we were shopping for cars (2022) we passed on quite a few cars because of basically useless small rear windows. Wish manufacturers would put more emphasis on visibility and crash avoidance instead of it all being on crash worthiness.…