I don't get it.

Jebus, if you're going to go all snotty Psych 101, you should probably realize that arguing against causation of a certain kind (i.e. that corporal punishment leads to increased success) is not the same thing as arguing for causation of a different kind (i.e that lack of corporal punishment must therefore lead to…

We're so much better day by day it seems and society is further from imploding than it ever has been. Yeah, that was obviously a fucking joke.

Yep... stick with sports, dude.

Studying for the LSAT sucks a ton, but it does train you not to make baseless assumptions. You might benefit from giving it a shot.

Simply asserting that all corporal punishment is abuse and should be punished by jail time

I'm not implying causation, I'm arguing against the implication that corporal punishment leads to success later in life.

I'm not arguing a causal relationship, I'm arguing against the causal relationship put forth by the above poster who implies corporal punishment will keep his daughter "off the pole."

That's not my point. I was hinting that your statement that "it worked" with this particular kid may not have been quite accurate.

Do you think that it's possible that Damian hitting and bullying other kids might have been a teeny bit related to the fact that he had a mother who would beat the hell out of him?

I don't follow.

Certainly not. But dismissing data as "opinion" when it does not conform to what you want to believe is intellectually dishonest. If you think that those studies are wrong, or you have equally compelling data that supports your own position, then go ahead and say that.

I bet you're going to be a great dad some day.

So, by your logic, the countries with the highest rates of corporal punishment should be the best educated and most successful nations in the world, right?

I'm keeping my baby of the pole. By any means necessary.

I've heard of the kneeling on rice before, but I think it was in the context of a torture practice used by the Japanese in WWII. Fuck.

Are you trying to make an argument that beating your kid is a good thing, or that some people aren't allowed to discuss it?

And the folks who repeatedly yank on the chain and hurt the dog are shitty dog owners who aren't good at training.

It's a cultural tradition, after all.

That's the thing about those "studies," though: they aren't opinions.